Singing section/Atmosphere

[Deleted member 77198]

So you think displays like this one happen all by themselves?
And as we get further into the CL, the displays will get bigger and better.
And I can guarantee you there will be a derby day display.

Is too much time spent thinking about and working on displays that last one minute and are forgotten about quickly rather than the atmosphere that lasts 95 minutes and remembered forever?

 

[Deleted member 77198]

it really doesnt make much sense. we've always had that as well. however one thing we did have was a 'kippax corner' that actually sung. that corner bit in the ground was great a few years back, now its silent. even on the derby you used to get everyone singing in the concours - that doesnt really happen now. from the replies on here seems like a lot have moved out and been replaced by non singers. i think thats been one of our biggest problems - losing that section

It’s certainly gone down hill since the Singing Section moved from the Kippax Corner to the South Stand begins the goal. It used to be good in the corner, it often spread doe the East Stand to 106 too. Now it’s in the worst place in the ground it could possibly be. Trapped between the away fans to their right, a corporate section above them and the morgue that is the Colin Bell to their left. Quite honestly, every single other part of the ground would be better for a Singing Section than where it is. It was a huge mistake to move there. Just like it was a huge mistake creating that Family Stand.

 

[jrb]

Is too much time spent thinking about and working on displays that last one minute and are forgotten about quickly rather than the atmosphere that lasts 95 minutes and remembered forever?

So, you only think I/we spend our time on displays?

And you think our atmosphere lasts 95 minutes?

Tell me which match that was? I can't wait. Hamburg? The Manchester Derby? Erm.....

I take it you've relocated to 115 against Basel, to sing as much as possible, and to try and create and to aid the atmosphere, and keep it going on the night? 50 fans have relocated so far.

Of course you haven't.

You can't be arsed, yet you criticise people like me and others who are trying our best to improve the atmosphere in the ground.

Good one!

 

[jrb]

It’s certainly gone down hill since the Singing Section moved from the Kippax Corner to the South Stand begins the goal. It used to be good in the corner, it often spread doe the East Stand to 106 too. Now it’s in the worst place in the ground it could possibly be. Trapped between the away fans to their right, a corporate section above them and the morgue that is the Colin Bell to their left. Quite honestly, every single other part of the ground would be better for a Singing Section than where it is. It was a huge mistake to move there. Just like it was a huge mistake creating that Family Stand.

I agree.

I used to stand in 111.

In hindsight, recreating and relocating a new singing section in 115 hasn't worked, even though fans are still trying.

 

[manchester blue]

So, you only think I/we spend our time on displays?

And you think our atmosphere lasts 95 minutes?

Tell me which match that was? I can't wait. Hamburg? The Manchester Derby? Erm.....

I take it you've relocated to 115 against Basel, to sing as much as possible, and to try and create and aid atmosphere, and keep it going on the night. 50 fans have so far.

Of course you haven't.

You can't be arsed, yet you criticise people like me and others who are trying our best to improve the atmosphere in the ground.

Good one!

He was asking a question, don't be so touchy. I think most people are appreciative of 1894, imagine what it would be like without them...

 

[Stevieatlasblue]

Relocate the singers into a different part of the ground with a roof over them for accoutics. It clearly isn't working at this moment where they are.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

It’s certainly gone down hill since the Singing Section moved from the Kippax Corner to the South Stand begins the goal. It used to be good in the corner, it often spread doe the East Stand to 106 too. Now it’s in the worst place in the ground it could possibly be. Trapped between the away fans to their right, a corporate section above them and the morgue that is the Colin Bell to their left. Quite honestly, every single other part of the ground would be better for a Singing Section than where it is. It was a huge mistake to move there. Just like it was a huge mistake creating that Family Stand.

Argh right so there is a correlation between the amount you sing and which way on the compass you face??

Yeah that’s righ move them out of the south stand and put the families next to the away fans. That’ll work.

 

[M18CTID]

It’s certainly gone down hill since the Singing Section moved from the Kippax Corner to the South Stand begins the goal. It used to be good in the corner, it often spread doe the East Stand to 106 too. Now it’s in the worst place in the ground it could possibly be. Trapped between the away fans to their right, a corporate section above them and the morgue that is the Colin Bell to their left. Quite honestly, every single other part of the ground would be better for a Singing Section than where it is. It was a huge mistake to move there. Just like it was a huge mistake creating that Family Stand.

The intention was never to move the singing section in 110/111 - it was to expand it into the newly vacated 114/115 section which used to be occupied by the away fans. Fans from areas other than 110/111 who wanted to sing but felt uneasy doing so in quieter sections of the ground were encouraged to move into 114/115 while fans in 110/111 were encouraged to stay put so in effect we’d have an expanded singing section either side of the away fans that was twice as big as it used to be.

And the relocation figures backed this up. From memory only 11 or 12 fans moved out of 111 into the new section and far bigger numbers moved from elsewhere in the ground. No way that a dozen fans have made the difference between a previously great atmosphere in 110/111 and a mediocre one now. Far more likely that way more than that dozen moved out of 110/111 into the much cheaper, newly expanded South Stand 3rd tier at the same time. 114/115 suffered from this too as loads who originally expressed their intention to move there then immediately relocated again to SS3.

I agree with the point that 114/115 is probably one of the worst locations to create the new section in terms of what is around it and directly above (away fans, and the corporate seats in SS2), but it was also the only opportunity open to us where hundreds of fans could move in and nobody would need to move out. And if everyone’s intentions were honest for moving in there and it was full of pure singers - as we requested - rather than a mish-mash of pure singers, occasional singers, and people who don’t sing at all then it could still be a success.

 

[jrb]

He was asking a question, don't be so touchy. I think most people are appreciative of 1894, imagine what it would be like without them...

Fair enough.

*I apologise to him*.

I misread his post.

Unfortunately there have been a few posters on here today who have had a go at 1894.

We're not special City fans.
We don't think we are.
We are just normal City fans like you and like those City fans that have criticized us today.
We're not Ultra's.
We don't wear Black or Ultra clothing.
We don't think we own any part of 115.
We work with other City fans and encourage them to join us, if they want to?
Our dialogue with the club isn't only about displays.
We work with the club on the fans behalf.
At the end of the day all we want and strive for is a better atmosphere for Pep, the players, the fans, and the club.

If some people on here see a problem with that, then fair enough. Even though I don't understand why?

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

It’s certainly gone down hill since the Singing Section moved from the Kippax Corner to the South Stand begins the goal. It used to be good in the corner, it often spread doe the East Stand to 106 too. Now it’s in the worst place in the ground it could possibly be. Trapped between the away fans to their right, a corporate section above them and the morgue that is the Colin Bell to their left. Quite honestly, every single other part of the ground would be better for a Singing Section than where it is. It was a huge mistake to move there. Just like it was a huge mistake creating that Family Stand.

as said above most of the people in 110/111 didnt move into 115. I've been int he corner a few times over the last 2 seasons and there is more then enough people in there who could sing. there are more people in there though interested in swearing at away fans rather then singing. price i think is an issue as it seems lots of the singers have moved out the section.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

For people stood in 110-111 what’s happened where you are?

You used to be decent, small, not particularly loud because of lack of numbers, but decent and on good days it spread down the East Stand.

Now it’s like they’ve been ordered to stay quiet.

 

[jrb]

For people stood in 110-111 what’s happened where you are?

You used to be decent, small, not particularly loud because of lack of numbers, but decent and on good days it spread down the East Stand.

Now it’s like they’ve been ordered to stay quiet.

When I was in 111 for 4 seasons there was a group of lads 3/4's of the way up and they used to come up with loads of good chants. They used to create loads of banter with the away fans. They used to get all the chants going, which spread to 110 and 109. Those were the day's when 109 stood, and there was loads of trouble with Showsec, due to the club trying to make fans sit down in 109.

When I was in 111 the Kippax corner was the loudest part of the stadium. TBH you couldn't hear the South Stand much. They were pretty quiet bar the big games.

Something has happened since the SS expansion and the offer of the £299 seats up there.

TBF the Kippax corner can still rise to the cause. Celtic, Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal, etc.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

When I was in 111 for 4 seasons there were a group of lads 3/4's of the way up and they used to come up with loads of good chants. They used to create loads of banter with the away fans. They used to get all the chants going, which spread to 110 and 109. Those were the day's when 109 stood, and there was loads of trouble with Showsec, due to the club trying to make fans sit down in 109.

When I was in 111 the Kippax corner was the loudest part of the stadium. TBH you couldn't hear the South Stand much. They were pretty quiet bar the big games.

Something has happened since the SS expansion and the offer of the £299 seats up there.

TBF the Kippax corner can still rise to the cause. Celtic, Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal, etc.

if they can sing for those games why aren't they doing it for the other games ? - like they used to. i agree with the post above, its like they've all just disappeared. they can't all have left though, when ss3 was created. there was a game last season i think when delph got the crowd up and the corner started singing again - there are still enough people there.

even that banter you talk about, that doesnt even happen anymore.

 

[Bluemoonie92]

I agree with what someone mentioned earlier. We need more chants that can be sustained because at the moment we seem to be singing a different song every 30 seconds which results in 3 different ones being sang by other parts of the ground. If a song is sang continuously it will eventually pick up when the play builds up. A perfect example was Leicester in the cup a couple of years ago when the fernandinho one was introduced. The stand was bouncing with us singing that after we scored.

 

[Bluesince1992]

For me we need to swap the away fans and kippax corner, merge the two sections that sing. It keeps the away fans nearby for banter and cause to sing back to. It will encourage the kippax closer to the halfway line to stand and sing, bet there's loads in therre who want to stand and sing but can't because of the showsec idiots. Get the people on cheap tickets in SS3 down into the 'family stand' so we have two opposing singing ends and get the embarrasing empty family stand up in the third tier. Combine our singers, keep the away fans nearby in the corner and watch how the atmosphere will improve, a WHOLE south stand and kippax together, magic!

 

[blue44]

Im in ss3,been there since it was built the last 3 seasons.all this talk of supporters who sang before they moved up there,i dont buy it,im in 318 and its dead,totally dead for 95% of any game and that includes the bigger games,the whole ss3 from 314 down to where we r in 318 is very quiet in my opinion,saturday v the geordies was the same,outsung for most of the game,I just dont get it why our fans dont want to or cant be arsed to sing and get behind our team,my 10 year old son is getting more and more upset and downbeat with how bad it really is atmosphere wise.

 

[tommyKun]

As the north stand doesn't seem to be getting expanded anytime soon, I think maybe a singing section in tier 3 would be a solution to the acoustics problem. both Burnley and Wolves fans in SS tier 3 made massive amounts of noise and the truth is that if you are anywhere other than the SS tier 1 you can't hear anything that is being sung in 115 etc.

The way the sound travels in the 1st tier is a big problem and im in 118 and I can't even hear what 115 or the kippax are singing. I've noticed that recently a small group of singers in SS3 have been starting the songs we sing in 118 because we can hear them but we can't hear 115, so 115, 111, and the rest of the SS including tier 3 are all singing different songs. Shifting up there nearer to the roof may be a solution to get everyone singing in unison.

 

[mancharlie]

I was just reading this article from a Newcastle fan who visited last Saturday and hope we can do something about how we’re perceived by other fans - We used to pride ourselves on singing and being loud, not just a quick song and only when we’re winning !!! CTID since 1974 home & away and a regular in Division’s 1&2 and it’s not good what I see never mind how others see us!?

https://www.themag.co.uk/2018/01/just-dont-let-us-turn-manchester-city-fans-become-newcastle-united/

 

[Dugsy]

I was just reading this article from a Newcastle fan who visited last Saturday and hope we can do something about how we’re perceived by other fans - We used to pride ourselves on singing and being loud, not just a quick song and only when we’re winning !!! CTID since 1974 home & away and a regular in Division’s 1&2 and it’s not good what I see never mind how others see us!?

https://www.themag.co.uk/2018/01/just-dont-let-us-turn-manchester-city-fans-become-newcastle-united/

Yeah you're right, I think some of the lads have said it before, change the away end get us all together in the south stand behind the goal....as being split doesn't help us at all and our away support allocation needs to have a ballot - I was at Leicester in the Carabao cup and seeing all the young lads creating that party atmosphere was absolutely class....

 

[trevorriley]

Is too much time spent thinking about and working on displays that last one minute and are forgotten about quickly rather than the atmosphere that lasts 95 minutes and remembered forever?

This is often said but without much thought.

Displays and singing are two totally separate things, the display is visual to create a presence and is probably one of the biggest successes in our attempts to improve the atmosphere. We are held back in having better and bigger displays due to the following, funding ( as we rely on fans kindly donating ), fans not arriving in seats before KO and health & safety.

The singing part of atmosphere improvement is much to say out of our hands. We can create a block or singing section or group up at the front of 115 at cup games. But if the fans don't sing it is not due to 1894, we are here to organise that block or group, we cant force 650 fans to sing. We are a small group of organised life long city fans that are trying to get fans to sing, but we don't own the right to every fans voice box on match day.

Some displays take 3 or 4 days to organise and then take 10 of us to go in to the stadium 3 hours before KO to set up. I can safely say if I put this time and effort in to singing preparation for a game it would make no difference whatsoever. It is those individual fans in a created singing section that are responsible for singing and the songs they chose to sing.

Its simple, club anthems, long songs, belt your heart out !