Sir Keir Starmer

[blueinsa]

This exactly, we keep hearing on a loop these perpetual cries of 'Division' from those still clinging to this pointless remain
narrative, if there is division, it's because the losers just will not accept the result. Democracy relies on losers consent,
it's no good wailing about divisive outcomes if you're responsible for it.

Leave then by all means campaign to rejoin, hell, i may even join it if our decision has been proven to be a mistake but we have to leave.

 

[blueinsa]

Corbyn in a skirt has got the gig.

Woman, tick.

Corbynista, tick.

Fully controllable by momentum and McCluskey, tick.

Same old, same old, tick.

Congratulations Long-Bailey.

 

[mat]

Until labour can somehow manage their image better they will never win an election.
Not a coincidence that Blair was backed by the sun and won big majorities.

He got into bed with Murdoch. In doing so threw away from of the parties principles.

Everyone Rupert has backed has won.

As a party there needs to be less naval gazing. Get both sides debating and come up with something that will give the Tories a run for their money in 5 years time.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Everyone Rupert has backed has won.

The central point for me, can't remember the last time Murdoch lost an election.

 

[meltonblue]

This exactly, we keep hearing on a loop these perpetual cries of 'Division' from those still clinging to this pointless remain
narrative, if there is division, it's because the losers just will not accept the result. Democracy relies on losers consent,
it's no good wailing about divisive outcomes if you're responsible for it.

I do agree with this to an extent, there has to be an element of trying to gain losers consent too though which is one thing I think has been done terribly since the referendum.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

It's a strong filter that though. Not sure of the metrics now because obviously there were new candidates in 2017 and 2019, some of whom got elected.

However, of the Labour MPs in 2016, 10 of them voted for Brexit. The other 222 voted for Remain.

That statistic shows what’s wrong with labour. They don’t represent the country

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Until labour can somehow manage their image better they will never win an election.
Not a coincidence that Blair was backed by the sun and won big majorities.

Good point, the Sun, since inception, was a Tory leaning paper until Blair came along, the sleaze and corruption
within the Tories at that time saw large public opinion leaning towards Labour, and the paper changed tack.
We see incessant attacks on it, many of them justified, but it sees the mood of the populace each and every time.
Now many Labour supporters read into this that it's the 'Tory' press that's responsible for their demise, it isn't,
it's because the content reflects the readers more accurately, it echos how they feel, the left wing press simply
doesn't, which is why readership, which is now mainly online, lags behind, by a fair stretch, papers like the Sun, Mail
and Telegraph.
This country, has been, and still is, centre right, it will move slightly leftwards when the incumbent party screws up,
but it eschews the far left, and the upshot of that is the Conservatives now have a massive majority.

 

[Ban-jani]

Phillips is too emotional and un-statesman-like IMO. Some of her performances in the media and in parliament, although heartfelt, have been quite cringeworthy. You need someone with a bit of gravitas and a lot of composure, and she has not enough of either.

This is not gloating on my part, BTW. The Tories are similarly afflicted and short on talent. i.e. complete dearth of.

She’s a terrible choice, really terrible.

 

[George Hannah]

She’s a terrible choice, really terrible.

Agreed, but the titular cockney is equally unpalatable, he's almost single handledly responsible for their unprincipled and disastrous second ref election policy.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Corbyn in a skirt has got the gig.

Woman, tick.

Corbynista, tick.

Fully controllable by momentum and McCluskey, tick.

Same old, same old, tick.

Congratulations Long-Bailey.

Yes, it's looking like that, Corbyn and crew want the project protecting, so a Jezza clone will indeed get the gig.
So, the Tories can look forward now to at least 10, or probably more, years in power.
That £3 joining fee must be one of the most damaging political decisions in history.

 

[Djibrilshairdo]

The £3 member crowds only criteria for a new leader is that their name fits the Seven Nation Army chant so they can have a good sing along in the Leftfield tent at Glasto.

 

[robbieh]

Good point, the Sun, since inception, was a Tory leaning paper until Blair came along, the sleaze and corruption
within the Tories at that time saw large public opinion leaning towards Labour, and the paper changed tack.
We see incessant attacks on it, many of them justified, but it sees the mood of the populace each and every time.
Now many Labour supporters read into this that it's the 'Tory' press that's responsible for their demise, it isn't,
it's because the content reflects the readers more accurately, it echos how they feel, the left wing press simply
doesn't, which is why readership, which is now mainly online, lags behind, by a fair stretch, papers like the Sun, Mail
and Telegraph.
This country, has been, and still is, centre right, it will move slightly leftwards when the incumbent party screws up,
but it eschews the far left, and the upshot of that is the Conservatives now have a massive majority.

If your analysis is correct then Labour have a problem. They can pander to people who read this appalling excuse of a newspaper. This may increase electability although it's doubtful as large numbers of people who actually voted Labour last Friday would leave in droves. Unsubtle racism and attacks on the feckless not the way to keep their vote.

I'm sure most people on here don't read it. Whatever our political persuasion I get the impression we are engaged politically and get our information from other sources.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

If your analysis is correct then Labour have a problem. They can pander to people who read this appalling excuse of a newspaper. This may increase electability although it's doubtful as large numbers of people who actually voted Labour last Friday would leave in droves. Unsubtle racism and attacks on the feckless not the way to keep their vote.

I'm sure most people on here don't read it. Whatever our political persuasion I get the impression we are engaged politically and get our information from other sources.

Honestly the plan from Labour should be to to go as centrist as possible, win the newspapers over and then stab the buggers in the back once they are in power.

Purdah absolutely should be extended to the written press, it's ridiculous the amount of influence they're allowed in elections.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Honestly the plan from Labour should be to to go as centrist as possible, win the newspapers over and then stab the buggers in the back once they are in power.

Purdah absolutely should be extended to the written press, it's ridiculous the amount of influence they're allowed in elections.

Ironically they're allowed that much influence by the supposedly balanced TV media though. The Sun and Mail have less than 3 million readers between them. And you've got to assume there's some crossover there too. It's not insignificant but it shouldn't swing elections. What does swing elections is the TV news and current affairs programmes basically allowing them to set the news agenda. The rise of news about the news. So the Sun or Mail construct a scandal or spin a story and then gets discussed and repeated in terms they set on every news and current affairs programmes on TV. If the Daily Mail run a front page story about Ed Milliband's dad's secret commie past, even if it's completely ridiculous and irrelevant, it gets discussed on the BBC. Twitter also has a similar effect nowadays with outrage culture.

 

[mcfc1632]

Until labour can somehow manage their image better they will never win an election.
Not a coincidence that Blair was backed by the sun and won big majorities.

Yeah.... that was all it was

"It was the Sun that dun it..."

Nothing to do with Corbyn and McDonnell being a terrifying prospect for so many people

Incoherent Brexit policy that was intended to betray so many of Labour's voters

and fantasy land policies

TBF - I guess you were not blaming solely the Sun for the outcome - but there really does need to be a focus on the main causes and not look for ways to distract from that. I was a Labour supporter in the 70s and have no desire to go back to those days

 

[mcfc1632]

Corbyn in a skirt has got the gig.

Woman, tick.

Corbynista, tick.

Fully controllable by momentum and McCluskey, tick.

Same old, same old, tick.

Congratulations Long-Bailey.

That outcome was sorted out at the conference

Is there any way that the PLP prevent her from being a choice put before the membership?

That is the only way she will not fuck up Labour for the next decade

 

[blueinsa]

That outcome was sorted out at the conference

Is there any way that the PLP prevent her from being a choice put before the membership?

That is the only way she will not fuck up Labour for the next decade

Between the hand picked NEC, Momentum, Mcluskey and enough members who follow them blindly there is no chance imo.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Yeah.... that was all it was

"It was the Sun that dun it..."

Nothing to do with Corbyn and McDonnell being a terrifying prospect for so many people

Incoherent Brexit policy that was intended to betray so many of Labour's voters

and fantasy land policies

Think that you might need to rethink that

You obviously know nothing about me if you think that I believe the media are solely responsible for labours defeat.

You'd be a fool to ignore their role in elections though

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

If Starmer wins labour won't win in 5yrs time, he is unelectable. If a momentum or a union candidate gets in again they won't win in 5yrs time. They are in denial that their policies are too extreme and unrealistic. Labour need a fresh centre left face with none of the baggage of the failed shadow front bench.

 

[The perfect fumble]

If Starmer wins labour won't win in 5yrs time, he is unelectable. If a momentum or a union candidate gets in again they won't win in 5yrs time. They are in denial that their policies are too extreme and unrealistic. Labour need a fresh centre left face with none of the baggage of the failed shadow front bench.

If Jesus Christ and all the saints were in the shadow cabinet, we're looking at ten years, if we're immensely lucky, fifteen if we're just lucky, twenty maybe.