Sir Keir Starmer

"Rayner = her Financial sleaze at this time is too similar to the mandelson type greed to get in now (she needs KS to stay for a bit longer)"

There is a report from HMRC due out - if that exonerates her then everything you typed after = is null and void. I think if so she would win because for Labour it fulfils a lot of their needs.

1/ gets Starmer gone
2/ new leader would be an aspirational working class woman who has dragged herself up by her boot straps
3/ first full time female leader AND female PM which gets two monkeys off their backs in one go
4/ someone who can clean sweep the cabinet and start again
 
bluejon said:
There's been rumours for years about ex-prince Andrew being a wrongun, so I'm going to go with 'corruption'. They knew.
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I am no dewey-eyed innocent, but if our secret services are so corrupt that they regard the Epstein cabal and similar set-ups as somehow acceptable, then it really is time for the sort of clear-out of the Establishment that the French had from 1789 onwards.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
the QT discussion about the Mandelson affair seemed to assume that Starmer knew about everything when Mandelson was appointed. Much seems to have been buried in the Epstein files. Fiona Bruce tried to raise the "at the time of appointment" was quite important but the panellists didn't seem too interested.

Pretty much no-one knows what he knew, what the vetting processes provided to McSweeney or Starmer, yet apparently it's a certainty that Starmer knew everything.

I don't think that "he provided real-time cabinet decisions to Epstein" would have been ignored at the time, so I doubt Starmer knew. It seems quite plausible that Starmer's comments yesterday that it's obvious that Mandelson answered weaselly but there's no guarantee that it was obvious at the time; Mandelson is still a Privy Councillor so presumably was considered in good enough standing.

It does seem clear that the vetting process needed to be more robust - does MI5/MI6 get involved in such appointments, and how much? It seems unlikely that they would delve into everything for years back, and I can't imagine that any govt is going to tell anyone the details.

I did enjoy the really quite awful Zia Yusuf pontificating on QT about how vetting is essential and trying to turn questions. No surprise that his response when Nathan Gill's name was brought up by Fiona Bruce that his immediate comment was "I didn't know him" in the hope that no-one would notice that he was indulging in shaky rhetoric.
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Knowing someone who has been vetted I can assure you it is thorough, PM would have undoubtedly undergone developed vetting which is even more thorough. There is, of course, an element of “the human” in the process.

Nonetheless the vetting process has clearly brought up PM’s relationship with Epstein which is why Starmer would have questioned him about it. There are three questions that need to be answered, what the vetting process flagged about PM’s suitability, did Starmer override vetting advice, and what was said during that questioning - although records may not tell the whole story here depending on how private that conversation was.

If this was the only thing in Starmer’s premiership then, depending on answers to those questions, he’d likely survive it. But it isn’t, he doesn’t command the party and as PM that’s pretty fatal.
 
1961_vintage said:
It's a shame Burnham didn't get a shot, then Neville could have taken the Mayor's job and then replaced Burnham a few years down the line.
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God no. Keep that little twat as far away from the mayoral seat as humanly possible.
 
Earlyriser said:
His refusal to grant new licences for gas and oil exploitation in The North Sea
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Why would we do that when wind is cheaper and quicker? Yeah it has the net zero benefit but it’s also just the best form of energy investment we have right now.

On top of that they’re still allowing more drilling in the existing fields, massively expanded gas power stations and reopened negotiations with centrica to increase our storage capacity - the biggest factor in cost to the consumer.

The only people who don’t think Miliband is doing a good job on energy are Reform and GBnews lot who can’t see past net zero.
 
tweety said:
Our industries aren't happy paying the highest electric and gas prices in the world and are either going bust or moving production abroad. That's the Miliband effect.
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Investment in UK energy is literally at record levels. Fossil fuel based investment has been dropping every year for almost 2 decades because the North Sea is at maturity and extraction costs are only going up, no matter what Nige says.
 
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domalino said:
Why would we do that when wind is cheaper and quicker? Yeah it has the net zero benefit but it’s also just the best form of energy investment we have right now.

On top of that they’re still allowing more drilling in the existing fields, massively expanded gas power stations and reopened negotiations with centrica to increase our storage capacity - the biggest factor in cost to the consumer.

The only people who don’t think Miliband is doing a good job on energy are Reform and GBnews lot who can’t see past net zero.
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We're on a knife edge with our energy supply relying on the goodwill of Norway and France to sell us our shortfall which is in part due to the reliance on wind power.
Probably the most delusional post I've read on BM and there's plenty to choose from.
 
tweety said:
We're on a knife edge with our energy supply relying on the goodwill of Norway and France to sell us our shortfall which is in part due to the reliance on wind power.
Probably the most delusional post I've read on BM and there's plenty to choose from.
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And the fastest way to energy independence is building more wind power, increasing gas storage, gas powerplants and expanding our nuclear generation which is why the government is doing that at record pace.

It’s not by selling licenses for future exploration in a dying oil field.
 
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