Sir Tony Blair Wades In To The Fray

Seems equally reviled by the left and the right so he must be doing something right!
On the other hand, any suggestion that we or anyone should support Trump should be treated with the opprobrium it deserves.
 
west didsblue said:
Seems equally reviled by the left and the right so he must be doing something right!
On the other hand, any suggestion that we or anyone should support Trump should be treated with the opprobrium it deserves.
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That’s his ‘does a lot of work for charity but fucks kids’ moment for me.

Unforgivable.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
He was PM when living standards were inexorably rising and most people thought things in society were broadly getting better. As they broadly had been for decades.

He applies that paradigm to his current perspective on the political landscape. It is hopelessly anachronistic.

Left, right, centre - most cunts think everything is shite, and getting discernibly worse. His perspective is not founded upon that reality.

And then there are his treacherous comments on Trump, who is plainly a security threat to the the UK and Europe. He’s plainly compromised in some way. And this is why I now think he’s a ****.
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Spot on. His comments are those of someone hopelessly out of touch with the economic and political reality the UK government exists in. Not surprising for someone with a messiah complex.


johnny crossan said:
Not sure you can disassociate him and his politics from the continued rise in living standards when he was in power. Especially when you see what the left had done to Callaghan previously, Blair's electoral popularity was predicated on Kinnock's defeat of Militant, Scargill et al - a path Starmer has tried to follow but the class warriors are all behind Burnham now, anxious to purify the party again.
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Yes you can. He arrived at a hugely beneficial point in the global macroeconomic cycle for him and new labour. Early stage benefits of globalisation before any of the downsides kicked in, the flexibility generated from our forced exit from the ERM, still some benefit from oil etc. All sorts of things conspired to provide him with an inheritance no modern politician could hope for. New Labour did some good things with this position, such as early years support and child poverty. However those potential gains were undermined by the fact they ignored lots of structural issues and in some instances exacerbated them like our over reliance on finance and debt. Debt levels weren't anywhere as bad when he left office but he also left timebombs that would blow up in subsequent leaders faces.

As for the class warrior comment, can you or any other person promoting the current 'centrist' (nothing of the sort) orthodoxy actually explain to me how we are going to get out of our current mess? And I mean explain with numbers that make economic sense. What level of growth is it going to take to reverse the decline on living standards and how is that going to be achieved? I've not heard a single economically credible explanation of where this magical growth is going to come from and how it will find it's way into the real economy. The irony of Blair banging on about AI at the point when Bill Winters is using language like 'lower value human capital' and Jamie Dimon is defending him would be laughable if it wasn't so depressing.

How have we got to the point where even a conversation about some minimal redistribution of wealth to make the economy function more effectively is viewed as some sort of terrible 'class warfare'?

There are indeed a fair few 'class warriors' whose extreme approach has completely reshaped the world in the last 40 years but most of them aren't in political parties and I'm damn sure none of them are Burnham supporters.

This is not a pop at you Johnny but on the one hand Blair says it should be about ideas and policies but then talks about the delusion of the labour left. It sounds to me like he's only interested in one set of ideas which are those that have palpably failed for the majority which sounds pretty deluded to me.

Irrespective of what he was or wasn't before he's now just a shill for some of the more despicable people on the planet.
 
Over 5000 words just to tell us he’s a paid up shill for Trump’s America and must be pissed off with him not being part of the new GCC deal.

Be honest, Tony, you want your cut of the pie and will sell-out your own to get it.
 
threespires said:
...There are indeed a fair few 'class warriors' whose extreme approach has completely reshaped the world in the last 40 years but most of them aren't in political parties and I'm damn sure none of them are Burnham supporters. This is not a pop at you Johnny but on the one hand Blair says it should be about ideas and policies but then talks about the delusion of the labour left. It sounds to me like he's only interested in one set of ideas which are those that have palpably failed for the majority which sounds pretty deluded to me.
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So, kill the rich it is then. ;-)
 
johnny crossan said:
So, kill the rich it is then. ;-)
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I know you're joking but I think we have a real issue that any attempt to discuss something that might genuinely assist in improving the lot of what we used to call the working and middle classes is painted as some sort of extremism.

I don't want to kill anyone, rich or otherwise :-) but I would like a public discussion on the potential for an incremental wealth tax on people worth more than £10million rising from 1% to 3% depending on their level of wealth. I'd like to discuss the potential benefits that could have alongside the risks and technical complexity of implementation. I'd like to discuss this for both economic and political reasons.

But instead people want to shut down the debate before it even gets started on the grounds of extremism or impracticality.

Meanwhile our former PM has in effect said it was a mistake for the current government to try and offer the most basic of living wages.

Which of us is the extremist?
 
threespires said:
I know you're joking but I think we have a real issue that any attempt to discuss something that might genuinely assist in improving the lot of what we used to call the working and middle classes is painted as some sort of extremism.

I don't want to kill anyone, rich or otherwise :-) but I would like a public discussion on the potential for an incremental wealth tax on people worth more than £10million rising from 1% to 3% depending on their level of wealth. I'd like to discuss the potential benefits that could have alongside the risks and technical complexity of implementation. I'd like to discuss this for both economic and political reasons.

But instead people want to shut down the debate before it even gets started on the grounds of extremism or impracticality.

Meanwhile our former PM has in effect said it was a mistake for the current government to try and offer the most basic of living wages.

Which of us is the extremist?
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Bernie Saunders has gazumped you - 5%!

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The bloke is a war criminal. He has monetised the position of ex-PM in a way that would make Gaddafi or Mugabe blush. Anything he says, especially about A.I, has to be viewed through the lens that he is bought by bigtech. His relationship with Larry Ellison is hugely questionable.

He is also easily the most skilled politican I have seen in my lifetime.

His essay is classic of him, his ability to diagnose a problem is still first rate. His solutions, while probably effective often come at a significant cost to societal structures and the fabric of society. The things he has said about energy, i agree with. We are beggaring ourselves and destroying any scrap of industry growth or ability to manage a cost of living crisis. China, an India are digging the land bare an even outsourcing excavations into africa in a huge way. Until that is under control we, the world, are pissing into the wind. His point about the triple lock and increased welfare spending is also true, at some point we have to say it is not sustainable.

His presciption, AI will fix everything plus his commentary on more privatisation of the NHS is in my view deeply sinster. The NHS database is a holy grail for big tech and the step towards using AI in front line medication. The fact that oracle has by stealth slowly working its way in to capture this data should be a huge red flag to all. The sad thing is, our elected politicans are not even discussing these issues.
 
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The Future’s Blue! said:
Over 5000 words just to tell us he’s a paid up shill for Trump’s America and must be pissed off with him not being part of the new GCC deal.

Be honest, Tony, you want your cut of the pie and will sell-out your own to get it.
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Don’t they all!

Same as Union bosses. All got their snouts in the troff.

Burnham was in Tunnel club when Liam
Gallagher played the Etihad. Bet he didn’t pay for that!
 
Postman Pep said:
Bang on from Yanis especially the bolded bit

Tony Blair is the living embodiment of what happens when political office becomes a down payment on future plunder. Ejected in 2007 by his own MPs as a massive liability, he bequeathed Britain a wild casino economy primed for the 2008 crash. And when the British economy crashed and burned, Mr Blair kept quiet while honing his skills at securing power by other means.His first job, after his ejection from 10 Downing Street, was as the West’s Middle East envoy, with a supposed emphasis on Gaza. It took six painful years for Mr Blair’s tenure to prove a failure so profound it amounted to active complicity in Israel’s ethnic cleansing, in Palestinian erasure, and in paving the ground for the ongoing genocide.Soon after, the Chilcot Inquiry demolished Blair’s Iraq lies, exposing him as a liar, a chancer and a war criminal responsible for countless corpses of Iraqis, but also of British soldiers.Then came Blair’s real innovation: the financialisation of the ex-premiership itself. The Tony Blair Institute, fuelled by £130 million from Oracle's Larry Ellison—coincidentally, the largest individual donor to the Friends of the IDF—became a shadow state, brokering governance contracts for autocrats and companies like Palantir that weaponise AI to produce mega-death abroad and full-on surveillance of Western populations.


Now, in May 2026, this corporate fixer issues a 5700 word tantrum demanding that Labour embrace Trump even more than Starmer already has, denounce what is left of Labour’s betrayed Green New Deal, and trash the remnants of workers' rights. This is not the wisdom of an aging statesman. It is the frantic squirming of a man fearing his grip on oligarchic power might soon wane and whose entire post-10 Downing Street existence depends on preventing the many from ever reclaiming what the few have plundered.





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The ghoulish face of the AI warlords.

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Interesting to see you and Zack are disciples of the same nutjob.
 
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