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bluethrunthru
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Seems 88k of the 606k were Brits coming home. I wonder how many had to leave their host country having retired/moved there just to be denied their dreams by Brexit...... would be an interesting set of numbers
dronefromsector7G
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Fascinating
bluethrunthru
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Do I take it you don't know anyone who retired to Spain who has been made to come home coz of Brexit. We met friends on the South Coast last week who had. They were very bitter. Happy there then plunged into an expensive medical insurance market so decided to come home and sell up in a buyers market...... as sellers they wiped their noses with 10 years of property value gains wiped out.
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You need to read my full post I hit the wrong button in error
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And people argue there are no legal routes in.going well - Braverman must be happy
Net migration rises to new record calendar year figure of 606,000 in the 12 months to December 2022
The figures show the difference between the number of people arriving and leaving the UK. The Office for National Statistics said that despite the rise in immigration last year, its estimates for long-term migration "suggest a slowing in growth over the most recent quarters".news.sky.com
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It would be an interesting set of data, but unfortunately it seems that the design of the migration surveys will fail to pick up this specific reason for returning to the UK. From a public finance, healthcare and growth perspective, it is clearly of interest if the UK nationals returning to the UK are retired / not economically active, and the UK nationals emigrating are younger and were previously part of the labour force.
The numbers in any given year are relatively small but would become significant when repeated over a prolonged period.
For the latest data, the 88k Brits returning were part of the overall inward migration of 1.163mn, and 92k Brits left the country as part of the overall outward migration of 557k, which obviously gives us the 606k net immigration figure. As such the net change in the overall numbers of British citizens was just 4k, essentially nil from a statistical perspective, but the 180k gross change could be significant if the people leaving and returning had very different characteristics.
As always with these type of data, the gross figures are more informative than the net. It would be ironic if migration trends are also contributing to the decline in the economic activity levels of the UK born population, which in turn requires further immigration to support the economy.
bluethrunthru
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as you say the age profile would be very interesting - we were in Bournemouth last week and saw a few old friends as was the idea. All had stories of friends and family "coming home" - mostly from southern Spain - post Brexit and for the most part it seemed to be down to healthcare ( too expensive/unavailable due to medical conditions) and citizenship - having to do the actual becoming a citizen of where you live and speak the language to do things like get a driving license.
If thats repeated along the South Coast I fear for the services down there as its already Heavens Waiting Room without an influx of returnee's
I've changed my view massively on immigration over the last couple of years. I thought for a while that we were taking in too many people but that has now changed. The average age within the population is creeping up and had it not been for the elderly living longer and immigration then the population would start to get close to shrinking. The birth rate has reduced by 20-30% over the last 10 years.
This isn't good for the economy or for growth generally. The only way to fill the gaps is through immigration, we should be particularly looking to attract young people and young families. The Tories were supposedly once the party of business and businesses are crying out for people. At the moment any argument by them against immigration makes zero sense.
The party political warring and identity politics is currently destroying the future of the country. It has forced people who worry about immigration on either side of the argument to only frame it in the view of those coming over on boats. Creating legal and safe routes for those people is important but creating an environment that helps working people and young families to come from abroad is critical.
Anyone against immigration has to consider the alternative which is to instead invest in our own and talk up helping young people by making the financial climate easier so they can have children. For many people that isn't on the table either and that's the problem. Childcare costs are currently mental and people aren't getting payrises so of course the most sensible option is to delay having children or have none at all.
This isn't good for the economy or for growth generally. The only way to fill the gaps is through immigration, we should be particularly looking to attract young people and young families. The Tories were supposedly once the party of business and businesses are crying out for people. At the moment any argument by them against immigration makes zero sense.
The party political warring and identity politics is currently destroying the future of the country. It has forced people who worry about immigration on either side of the argument to only frame it in the view of those coming over on boats. Creating legal and safe routes for those people is important but creating an environment that helps working people and young families to come from abroad is critical.
Anyone against immigration has to consider the alternative which is to instead invest in our own and talk up helping young people by making the financial climate easier so they can have children. For many people that isn't on the table either and that's the problem. Childcare costs are currently mental and people aren't getting payrises so of course the most sensible option is to delay having children or have none at all.