Sky Sports and TNT games on TV 25/26

[chesterbells]

The game 'went' in 1992. It's been gone for 33 years.

We’re not in Kansas anymore. We can’t live in da past etc etc ;-)

 

[Stephen230]

As a model its fraught with issues when certain clubs would have many, many more millions of viewers prepared to pay to pay than others.

You mention the NFL - just had an admittedly quick look online and they don’t seem to offer a straightforward pass just to watch one team only for a full season. (?) I’m not sure they offer that direct to the fan.

No, I don’t think the NFL offer team specific passes, like other American sports do. Not sure of the ins and outs but I think they sell day or season passes. And they still sell some games to broadcasters like CBS and Fox for regular TV.

 

[JGL07]

Traditionally even post war, the FA Cup Final was the last game of the season on the first weekend of May. Played on a Saturday with a 3 pm kick off with no other games on the day or after.

Apart from when City beat Leicester 1-0 on 26/04/1969, some two weeks before City's final League match of the season, a 1-0 win win over Liverpool on 12/05/1969.

And apart from when City first drew with and then lost to Spurs on 09/05/1981 and 14/05/1981. The first match was two weeks before the last match of the season, a 0-1 loss at Liverpool.

And also apart from when City beat Stoke City 1-0 on 14/05/2011, eight days before they won 2-0 at Bolton Wanderers.

Granted that the loss to Newcastle United (1955) and the win over Birmingham City (1956) were both the last match of the season, as were City's last three appearances in the final.

Evidence suggests that it was never inevitable that the FA Cup would be the final match of the season.

 

[Kid A]

No, I don’t think the NFL offer team specific passes, like other American sports do. Not sure of the ins and outs but I think they sell day or season passes. And they still sell some games to broadcasters like CBS and Fox for regular TV.

You can get a season pass for the NFL (all games available on live stream, except the ones Sky show live) for about £160 quid a year. You also get loads of other content for that - the draft, game highlights/reruns, documentaries, live shows, etc.

Absolute bargain when compared to the chiselers at Sky/TNT.

 

[Impeccable One]

Got to be honest here, I wouldn't pay for a match unless it all came under one platform for a VERY reasonable price and it showed all 3pm kick offs.

That wont happen so I will carry on regardless.

I get 9 out of 10 match week games for 36 match weeks per year (inc. 3pm’s) for $80 per year [emoji23] The other two match weeks are covered by my Prime membership, and the 10th game per match week is ‘free’ as part of my monthly TV subscription.

However, it costs me a shit load of money to get to my 8-10 City games per year [emoji15][emoji22]

As Del boy would say, “….swings ‘n roundabouts Rodney, swings ‘n roundabouts….”

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Your work?

well company i wor for yeah

 

[maccieblue]

Apart from when City beat Leicester 1-0 on 26/04/1969, some two weeks before City's final League match of the season, a 1-0 win win over Liverpool on 12/05/1969.

And apart from when City first drew with and then lost to Spurs on 09/05/1981 and 14/05/1981. The first match was two weeks before the last match of the season, a 0-1 loss at Liverpool.

And also apart from when City beat Stoke City 1-0 on 14/05/2011, eight days before they won 2-0 at Bolton Wanderers.

Granted that the loss to Newcastle United (1955) and the win over Birmingham City (1956) were both the last match of the season, as were City's last three appearances in the final.

Evidence suggests that it was never inevitable that the FA Cup would be the final match of the season.

Wasn't the 1981 rearranged Liverpool game given permission to be played after the season because it has no bearing on the league
I'm certain the season officially ended the weekend before the cup final

 

[jimharri]

Next season, 2025/26, Sky Sports TV will show 215 matches, up from 128.
TNT will also continue to show 52 matches.
Prime will no longer show 20 games.
So, 267 games next, up from 200 this.
Granted there’ll be multiple games shown on some weekends, but, with the new season ticket attendance criteria next season, I just wonder how the TV schedule will affect fans ability to attend 10 matches themselves and, 16 overall with transfers etc?!

Over a theoretical 38 game weeks. That's averaging out at 7 games every game week. And that's without people streaming games not being shown on UK television. Never thought I'd say it, but it's at the point now where there's too much football on the telly. I would be surprised if I watch half of those 267 games. The likes of, for instance, Everton vs Brentford (no offence intended to those guys) on a monday night (or any day, actually) would have limited appeal.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Over a theoretical 38 game weeks. That's averaging out at 7 games every game week. And that's without people streaming games not being shown on UK television. Never thought I'd say it, but it's at the point now where there's too much football on the telly. I would be surprised if I watch half of those 267 games. The likes of, for instance, Everton vs Brentford (no offence intended to those guys) on a monday night (or any day, actually) would have limited appeal.

Quite a lot of those games will be on at the same time so watching them all, live at least, will be impossible.
There is a theoretical possibility of 10 PL teams qualifying for European competitions, with 5 of them playing on a Thursday night!

Depending how the fixtures fall, it could mean that on 1 or 2 Sundays every PL game will be on a Sunday, with 2 earmarked for ‘Super Sunday’, possibly 1 late on for TNT, with 7 all kicking off at 2. All 7 would be available to choose from but, obviously, not all watchable at the same time.

 

[jimharri]

Quite a lot of those games will be on at the same time so watching them all, live at least, will be impossible.
There is a theoretical possibility of 10 PL teams qualifying for European competitions, with 5 of them playing on a Thursday night!

Depending how the fixtures fall, it could mean that on 1 or 2 Sundays every PL game will be on a Sunday, with 2 earmarked for ‘Super Sunday’, possibly 1 late on for TNT, with 7 all kicking off at 2. All 7 would be available to choose from but, obviously, not all watchable at the same time.

I'd imagine that the vast majority of Sky/TNT games won't clash (they generally don't).

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I'd imagine that the vast majority of Sky/TNT games won't clash (they generally don't).

Whilst there will undoubtedly be some ‘new’ kick of times, most of Skys new matches will be showing all the Sunday 2 o’clock games, the old Amazon Xmas offering and every game from the last day of the season.

 

[jimharri]

Whilst there will undoubtedly be some ‘new’ kick of times, most of Skys new matches will be showing all the Sunday 2 o’clock games, the old Amazon Xmas offering and every game from the last day of the season.

And, presumably, TNT will be keeping their saturday lunchtime slot. Along with a few midweek PL games.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

And, presumably, TNT will be keeping their saturday lunchtime slot. Along with a few midweek PL games.

Yes. TNT keep 52 games, presumably one on a Saturday, by Sky have first pick every weekend.
Sadly I’d imagine there’ll be more Friday nights but, hopefully, no Sunday nights.

 

[jimharri]

Yes. TNT keep 52 games, presumably one on a Saturday, by Sky have first pick every weekend.
Sadly I’d imagine there’ll be more Friday nights but, hopefully, no Sunday nights.

It's a bit baffling to me that friday night games seem to be so unpopular among the plebs. But I guess that people might want to go out to a pub/club on a friday night, rather than go to a game. If I was in a position to go to the majority of games, I'd prefer a friday night over a monday night.

 

[West Yorks Owl]

The nature of the product the club is selling a nd the environment it operates in, ie subject to change as little as just days before the event due to rights issued giving TV companies the final day on scheduling, mean that the self-imposed minimum games rule to retain a season ticket is now grossly unfair and likely to cause additional stress and expense for the average season ticket holder.

If I can't attend a match because the fixture is changed a few weeks before and I can't go due to work or personal commitments, or illness, why should I or any season ticket holder be held accountable for that and be punished? As said above, how many city games will be changed next season? How many were this season? Twenty five, thirty? How many were changed again and again because we now just play too much football and competitions clashed, or because some TV executive wanted the teatime slot as their metrics showed it boosts ratings and subscriptions?

Bournemouth at 8pm. Not just a change of plans for me, but you're also asking me to let my youngest daughter miss her swimming lesson which I've already paid for, miss her bedtime routine and story, and that's with me also needing to get up at 5am the next day for a work conference. It. Has. Consequences. So I have to drive this time, pay the extra money in petrol and car parking, and just accept it. Or I say, no thanks, I chance losing my ticket and that's ok because it could get sold again and for even greater profit.

We must attend x minimum number of games now to retain our season tickets, and we know full well if they are taken from us were unlikely to be able to get them back, which is an emotional as well as financial impact (attending single games if you can't get a season ticket is far more costly) , but they reserve the right (in fact have to do it as they've already taken he money) to change those games not for sporting reasons, not for cultural reasons, but according to when it fits best in the schedule for the most casual viewers.

No thought to player health. No thought to fan's pockets or calendars. Just go and do it otherwise you're replaced.

I'd be in favour of bypassing the club and the premier league all together and pushing for this to be raised in parliament, if fans of other clubs can stop shouting 115 for a second and see the real enemy is in plain view, pushing fans out of the game.

Bournemouth 8pm on a Tuesday. Not great for us. Near impossible for Bournemouth fans without either taking time off work, paid or unpaid, or causing friction in families. That's just one example of the ridiculousness of the power and influence tv companies have over the league.

Sell the rights, take the money, keep us as the number one attractive league. But there should be some very basic yet fundamental rules in place to protect those attending the live event.

A strict, published, schedule, hell why can't they even declare their picks as soon as the fixtures are out, we all know which days are or could be European and cup ones. Failing that, a minimum fixture change notification requirement of 13 weeks.

No stupid travel around bank holidays, or limit it to 100 miles or three nearest stadiums for the most rural ones . Our public transport in this country is unreliable enough without adding extra pressure at these crucial times.

As for the season tickets themselves, absolutely allow fans to skip a game so many times per season as long as the ticket is transferred within the friends and family group or offered up for sale, and limit the times that can be done for sure, but also consider allowing to take a sabbatical if we know we can't make more than so many games, protecting the ticket for first refusal the following season, or again and 6, 12 or 18 match friends and family transfer. Hell, charge us a tenner admin fee to do it if you must.

It's a symptom of the wider virus of pure greed in the modern game. Every team and organisation wants more, doesn't want to miss out on it to someone else, so we have more and more games generating more and more money, and if you like it you'll pay for it or lose out to someone who will.

It's time for a football fan's rights charter in this country. We've been trod on for so long and regarded as inconsequential.

Great post.

The problem with clubs (& fans) in this country is we have an "I'm alright Jack attitude".

Look at Germany, they bring the Monday night game in and fans of all clubs protest/boycott and the TV companies back-peddled. Here Southampton Vs Newcastle on a Monday night you say, we sell out.

Teams that don't sell out are ridiculed as they "only took X number of fans away, where as we took Y"

I applaud anybody from top of the PL to bottom of the pyramid who put the effort in to go Home/Away every week, regardless if that's 5000 fans or 50.

We see it as a badge of honour, "I was there", "I turned up" despite getting screwed every week by forces who believe that either the armchair fan, or tourist fan is king.

Clubs need to be careful, it's great making these changes when you are at the top of the pile, but if it ever goes pear-shaped and you find yourself lower down the pyramid, then the tourists fans won't be coming back, and neither will the local legacy ST holders, who you've driven away as they didn't suit your narrative.

Rant over

Legacy Fan

:)

 

[Betterdeedthan red]

It's a bit baffling to me that friday night games seem to be so unpopular among the plebs. But I guess that people might want to go out to a pub/club on a friday night, rather than go to a game. If I was in a position to go to the majority of games, I'd prefer a friday night over a monday night.

I think it just the fact that something that should be at 3pm on Saturday is on a Friday due to TV.
Fuck the fans

 

[jimharri]

267 games (at least) on the mainstream broadcasters (not counting firseticks, WHICH ARE ILLEGAL, as we all know!). Over 38 gameweeks (33 weekends and 5 midweeks). That's an average of 7 games per gameweek. How are they going to fit them all in; one on friday, three on saturday, 2 on sunday and one on monday? Or maybe reverse the sat/sun numbers?

 

[bluesmith]

267 games (at least) on the mainstream broadcasters (not counting firseticks, WHICH ARE ILLEGAL, as we all know!). Over 38 gameweeks (33 weekends and 5 midweeks). That's an average of 7 games per gameweek. How are they going to fit them all in; one on friday, three on saturday, 2 on sunday and one on monday? Or maybe reverse the sat/sun numbers?

There won't be any more changes than last year, the additional games are those that move for other reasons eg European Thursday night teams.

 

[jimharri]

There won't be any more changes than last year, the additional games are those that move for other reasons eg European Thursday night teams.

But how will they schedule them? Sky have 87 more live games (215, up from 128; TNT unchanged at 52, apparently).

 

[citizen_maine]

But how will they schedule them? Sky have 87 more live games (215, up from 128; TNT unchanged at 52, apparently).

All of the games that are played on Sunday will now be televised as I understand it