Songs that rip off other songs.

Alan Harper's Tash said:
Most songs have the same structure.
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Great demonstration of how sterile popular / chart music is and yet the exponents are often described as musical geniuses.

The rock'n'roll songs of the 60's and thereafter were even worse, being mostly based around the repetitious 12 bar blues and just three chords, but the fans did at least have some justification as they only had the old hat Lonny Donnegan etc to listen to.

Just as a laugh, Status Quo got dogs abuse by the press for only knowing three chords (complete rubbish) by press and fans who would describe the 60's music as the best ever even though it was the exact same as what Quo were playing.

Have a go at singing along to Roll Over Beethoven, then play the same music but use the lyrics to Jail House Rock, then try Jonnie B Goode. They all fit. Try Quo's Caroline just to prove the point.

On topic, Deep Purple's Black Night was a rip off of Ricky Nelson's Summertime
 
flyer said:
Great demonstration of how sterile popular / chart music is and yet the exponents are often described as musical geniuses.

The rock'n'roll songs of the 60's and thereafter were even worse, being mostly based around the repetitious 12 bar blues and just three chords, but the fans did at least have some justification as they only had the old hat Lonny Donnegan etc to listen to.

Just as a laugh, Status Quo got dogs abuse by the press for only knowing three chords (complete rubbish) by press and fans who would describe the 60's music as the best ever even though it was the exact same as what Quo were playing.

Have a go at singing along to Roll Over Beethoven, then play the same music but use the lyrics to Jail House Rock, then try Jonnie B Goode. They all fit. Try Quo's Caroline just to prove the point.
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Commercial music has always been driven by money. Up until the 60s, it was difficult to make your own music unless you had genuine talent.

Then it was driven by good song writers until the point the 4 chord song was realised.

That then opened it up to a bigger, yet manageable amount of composers.

Then came the music video. The advent of musical models.

Then came the advent of the computer and sampling. The advent of the hardly musical but computer literate generation.

Then came the advent of the X factor esque programme. The continuation of musical models.

Then came autotune. The death of musical talent and PR being king.

It’s no coincidence that there hasn’t been a “generational talent” in music in the past 20 years.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Commercial music has always been driven by money. Up until the 60s, it was difficult to make your own music unless you had genuine talent.

Then it was driven by good song writers until the point the 4 chord song was realised.

That then opened it up to a bigger, yet manageable amount of composers.

Then came the music video. The advent of musical models.

Then came the advent of the computer and sampling. The advent of the hardly musical but computer literate generation.

Then came the advent of the X factor esque programme. The continuation of musical models.

Then came autotune. The death of musical talent and PR being king.

It’s no coincidence that there hasn’t been a “generational talent” in music in the past 20 years.
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I'll bow to your knowledge of times before the 60's, but wonder about 'talent'
I'll argue about song writers after that if all they were doing is putting lyrics to 12 bar
I'll qualify that by putting forward great songs of the 60's such as Eve of Destruction, which was such an emotional song for me
When we get into the music videos, we lost all quality in my opinion, when sales were based on shagability of the player over quality with online closeups.

But overall, I think you and me are roughly saying the same thing
 
flyer said:
I'll bow to your knowledge of times before the 60's, but wonder about 'talent'
I'll argue about song writers after that if all they were doing is putting lyrics to 12 bar
I'll qualify that by putting forward great songs of the 60's such as Eve of Destruction, which was such an emotional song for me
When we get into the music videos, we lost all quality in my opinion, when sales were based on shagability of the player over quality with online closeups.

But overall, I think you and me are roughly saying the same thing
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I may have been slightly of on 1960 and would gladly replace it with 1975 to make sure.

My degree was in music.

I have no doubt that Mozart, if alive today, would be a film/computer game composer.

Bach is a literal genius for me. I couldn‘t begin to comprehend what he could do now.
 
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