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To be fair he’s won 4 titles in a row, the treble, and in his worst year he’s got a chance of CL and will play in a cup final.

He’s an elite professional with a record that is almost fantasy in terms of it’s accomplishments in such a short period of time.

He can rant how he wants.
i disagree. If he and the team are that elite he should be beating them. Your opponent can play how they want. The problem Dias has in this situation is one of the worst teams in PL history held us to a draw.
Plus, rant in private not to the media, it’s unbecoming.
 
I don’t think Pep would be happy to stay and watch the team decline anymore under his watch.

I would not be surprised if he feels he no longer can make that difference that the CWC becomes his swansong

If that is the case then I would fully expect his successor to be already informed and ready to take the role for the new season

I always thought he would go at the same time as Txixi

That was exactly the plan, to leave with Txiki.
 
Akanji played to give him minutes after a long injury absence. Likewise Haaland. That's important for the games to come.
I don't get that "important for games to come" win yesterday and City are basically over the line for Champions League qualification, now it's very much up on the air. Yesterday was a total balls up.
 
Let's face it we are very lucky to be even the position we are now, Crystal Palace could easily have been 3 up against but for the thinnest of offsides, Everton hit the post when it was nil all and how Wolves not even getting one goal was bizzare. City really have to avoid going down the dippers, rags and ars route of clinging to past glories as some sign of guaranteed future success cause it isn't. Change is needed at City, first of all on the pitch but if next season shapes up like this has then they will have to look at the sidelines for the next big change.
They could have been but we also had plenty of chances in that first 30 mins too and could have score 3 or 4.

Change is needed (and will no doubt come) but it will have to be over a few windows.
 
Some of the Reactions on here to Yesterday are Barmy tbh
You would have think City had been Relegated
Yeah it was an awful performance but it's gone now
Trust Pep
He will get it right for Saturday
Beginning to think Some on here would prefer the Days of Clark,Pearce Etc
 
I think Marmoush definitely has something about him. Nico and the others I'm not as convinced by just yet

We have to remember these are still young lads moving to a new league and playing for a coach who has ideas they won't have come across before. They might be playing in unfamiliar roles in teams set up differently to where they have come from.

We need to give them time. I certainly remember a lot on here who didn't rate "Plodri" until he understood Peps ideas and I think given time Pep tends to improve every player he's coached by some margin.

There's hope yet! :)
Marmoush yes, probably a poor decision not to start him yesterday, not only in hindsight. The two young lads may yet blossom, but Nico looks all set to join Phillips on the scrapheap.
 
Without inviting a pile-on, my personal feelings are Pep is burnt out and his messaging isn't inspiring total belief from sections of the squad?

To bring Akanji back yesterday was criminal, resulting in the entire back line being changed to afford it.

He compounded it by bringing Foden and McAtee into the starting eleven, losing the width and direct running of Doku and Marmoush.

City have fallen in to the trap which United and Arsenal have done, allowing incredibly successful managers to become bigger than the club.

Our executive are rightly in awe of what Pep has done for this club, but the lines have become blurred and there is zero threat of challenge to his authority because of what he has stored in the bank.

I'm starting to worry that some of the noises from sections of the fanbase remind me of what Liverpool and United fans have defaulted to when they cite previous trophy wins and some sort of defensive mechanism against failure?

The past is the past, means nothing all the records of recent years, if we are heading down a direction which is not the correct one.

There is a lot of pressure on Viana to deliver for Pep, but Pep also has to deliver for him. There has been too many instances of the obvious, certainly for a legendary coach on £20m a year, to have not seen them throughout this campaign.

I really don't expect or hear City to be signing any world class talents this summer, certainly not the ones which are needed to elevate us back to the quality we have previously displayed.

I don't know what the answer is, but we are merely kicking the can down the road if we think everything is going to be solved by Pep simply being here for another two years?

I understand why he went with the lineup he started with as he wanted to give some minutes and check out the form of some players before the cup final, particularly Haaland. The problem was it totally disrupted and disjointed the side and he should have changed it earlier. Having said that we still should have had enough to beat a poor but dogged Southampton side and he's probably as baffled as us why we couldn't.

This season has been a perfect storm of injuries to key players and others suffering a huge drop in form nobody could have envisaged. We lost the best player in Europe, the best creative playmaker is unrecognisable as is last season's premier league player of the year. That's three world class players we've lost through injury and poor form, any side would suffer as a result.

You're right about Pep. He looks burnt out and it wouldn't surprise me if he leaves his contract early if a top level replacement is available to come in. We've lost countless points this season because of his stubborn refusal to change tactics to cope with our injuries, particularly in defence. As a result we got picked off time after time. Poor buys have compounded the mess we find ourselves in. We sat on our laurels a bit after the treble and it's caught up with us.
 
That was exactly the plan, to leave with Txiki.
Maybe it will still be just that, the club WC is the last thing he needs after the season and private life has given him, same with Foden.

The guy will be burnt out before next season even starts, I hope Khaldoon/Viana are asking some very straight questions about his future and if it's right for the club and that's all that matters.
 
Its probably been said in previous pages but the only positive I can take from this game is its a wake up call for the final next week. Frustrating to say the least, lets hope it brings a bit more sharpness.
 
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Akanji played to give him minutes after a long injury absence. Likewise Haaland. That's important for the games to come.
Not as important as winning the game right in front of you.

As a result, we will have a very quick turnaround after the Cup Final to take three points against a Bournemouth team who still have something to play for and play better away from home.

Pep even admitted that after ten minutes he realised we were missing the wingers, yet he persisted with a flawed starting eleven which didn't manage a shot on target until 70 minutes.

He set us up for failure and it's not the first time this season, sadly.
 
Without inviting a pile-on, my personal feelings are Pep is burnt out and his messaging isn't inspiring total belief from sections of the squad?

To bring Akanji back yesterday was criminal, resulting in the entire back line being changed to afford it.

He compounded it by bringing Foden and McAtee into the starting eleven, losing the width and direct running of Doku and Marmoush.

City have fallen in to the trap which United and Arsenal have done, allowing incredibly successful managers to become bigger than the club.

Our executive are rightly in awe of what Pep has done for this club, but the lines have become blurred and there is zero threat of challenge to his authority because of what he has stored in the bank.

I'm starting to worry that some of the noises from sections of the fanbase remind me of what Liverpool and United fans have defaulted to when they cite previous trophy wins and some sort of defensive mechanism against failure?

The past is the past, means nothing all the records of recent years, if we are heading down a direction which is not the correct one.

There is a lot of pressure on Viana to deliver for Pep, but Pep also has to deliver for him. There has been too many instances of the obvious, certainly for a legendary coach on £20m a year, to have not seen them throughout this campaign.

I really don't expect or hear City to be signing any world class talents this summer, certainly not the ones which are needed to elevate us back to the quality we have previously displayed.

I don't know what the answer is, but we are merely kicking the can down the road if we think everything is going to be solved by Pep simply being here for another two years?
Excellent
 
Maybe it will still be just that, the club WC is the last thing he needs after the season and private life has given him, same with Foden.

The guy will be burnt out before next season even starts, I hope Khaldoon/Viana are asking some very straight questions about his future and if it's right for the club and that's all that matters.

I'm still wondering if this whole contract renewal was to calm the chatter during the season?

He's already burnt out and, if he's not careful, he will be too fragile to realise it and end up like Mourinho did.

The whole CWC should be treated as a chance for a lucrative rest and early pre-season.

Khaldoon and Soriano are too wedded to the Pep story to exert any type of real pressure.

He needs to be staying for the right reasons, although I fear the game is moving away from the total possession mantra, like Enrique has tweaked at Paris.
 
That was exactly the plan, to leave with Txiki.
It might have been the plan but Pep decided he would fuck everything up and sign a new contract and then follow that up with Txiki spunking £200m on signings that don’t play.

The board too scared to ask what the fuck is going on cause they have to have Pep in charge when the 115 fallout really turns nuclear in the next few weeks.
 
Without inviting a pile-on, my personal feelings are Pep is burnt out and his messaging isn't inspiring total belief from sections of the squad?

To bring Akanji back yesterday was criminal, resulting in the entire back line being changed to afford it.

He compounded it by bringing Foden and McAtee into the starting eleven, losing the width and direct running of Doku and Marmoush.

City have fallen in to the trap which United and Arsenal have done, allowing incredibly successful managers to become bigger than the club.

Our executive are rightly in awe of what Pep has done for this club, but the lines have become blurred and there is zero threat of challenge to his authority because of what he has stored in the bank.

I'm starting to worry that some of the noises from sections of the fanbase remind me of what Liverpool and United fans have defaulted to when they cite previous trophy wins and some sort of defensive mechanism against failure?

The past is the past, means nothing all the records of recent years, if we are heading down a direction which is not the correct one.

There is a lot of pressure on Viana to deliver for Pep, but Pep also has to deliver for him. There has been too many instances of the obvious, certainly for a legendary coach on £20m a year, to have not seen them throughout this campaign.

I really don't expect or hear City to be signing any world class talents this summer, certainly not the ones which are needed to elevate us back to the quality we have previously displayed.

I don't know what the answer is, but we are merely kicking the can down the road if we think everything is going to be solved by Pep simply being here for another two years?
Harsh but a totally genuine position of the situation.

Pep created history but that's what it is History.

All that matters in Manchester City FC, not Pep, KDB, Bernardo, Walker etc, they have all been paid handsomely, performed magnificently but it's time to move on.

Sadly I have no confidence in this version of Pep to rebuild this team, he looks tired, emotional and I think he knows he has lost some of his players, and with a summer of football , a marriage crisis, rebuild, it could get far worse.
 
You have no idea. Phil isn't a robot. I don't know what job you do, but if you were struggling with a condition your performance would be affected. Despicable comment about his mother. Not sure why you feel the need to make such a crass comment.
Oooohhhhh
 
The general fanbase, the away fans, they all sing thank fuck we've got gaurdiola. The fanbase in general know we have the best manager.

The only manager better than Pep this year is Slot and Arteta. Are they really better?

We've been here before, pep turned it around we went in to win the things you would like to ignore in this.

The players we are buying right now are for pep. I hope the club don't go all United and start listening to an expectant and entitled fanbase sacking every manager that doesn't give immediate and ever lasting success. Things take time. We could be on the verge of another special run of success.



Right your turn, mention why pep is shite but don't bring up this failed season.
There's that word again - 'entitled'. It's almost MAGA-like, the use of it on this forum.

Where did I say that I don't think Pep is the best manager?

It's not a polarised situation, but instead a matter of degree. Not black-and-white either-hero-worship-or-you-must-hate-him, like you suggest.

The fact that you suggest a manager's performance can be judged purely by league position tells me that you and I think differently. For instance, Brentford are currently 8th, but I don't believe that 7 other managers have out-performed Thomas Frank, given the tools at his disposal.

And I'm not ignoring past success. It is simply not relevant when discussing the current situation, because Pep has NEVER been in this situation before, despite what you say.

To repeat, I'm not somebody who wants him out, but I can accept that there's a valid conversation to be had, about his performance.
 

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