Southampton (A) Post Match Thread

Im not saying the rules are different but they are interpreted differently (wrongly but all the time) when a keeper is involved.

The ref that gave the feedback on the highlights i just saw also said that the ref had to be sure to give a penalty and if he wasn't then it was the right decision not to give a penalty (even though his point of view having watched the video numerous times was that it was a penalty). He said it was a "grey one" (i.e. very difficult to decide) and therefore the ref was right not to give it as it wasn't clear cut.

The players reaction says it all to me....Sane says it wasn't a penalty nor did he appeal at the time.

The goal keeper gets a touch (that is undeniable) but he cant exactly then suddenly get out of the way/he cant disappear so there is going to be contact but that comes after the ball has been touched.

I not believe the Clichy one was a penalty either just so you know

What planet are you on..?

The players reaction says it wasn't a penalty!!? How about, Peps reaction, how about the fact Otamendi got booked after the incident, how about the fact are players are forced into compliance by post match fines for the club for 'failing to control our players!?'

That is as nailed on a penalty as you will possibly see.I thought it at the time, pep thought so and I have seen nothing since to change my mind. I have also seen nothing compelling that tells me Forster got even the slightest touch on the ball.

I guarantee in a few weeks we will see similar incidents where a penalty will be awarded inspite of the fact the keeper gets a touch on the ball.
 
Well, I'll probably get a cartload of shit for this, but I'll say it anyway. Don't get me wrong, I'm bouncing as much as anyone. 3-0 away? And against a very decent team like Saints? You don't sniff at that.
But now that we've all calmed down a bit, I'd just like to point out that apart from one person, whose game was fabulous (by god how we've missed him, and not just this season, for the last two and a half years) not many players had a particularly good game. Navas worked very hard, and did a lot of stuff in defence. Kudos to him, but then, you know, he pretty much always has done that. Everybody was fair, but quite a long way from their best. It's a joke to say that Bravo had a good game. And that's not a dig. It's virtually impossible to call it either way, he had almost literally nothing to do. I will just say that he had me having kittens on at least a couple of occasions when he rolled it out one of ours (often Yaya) who had an opposition player up his backside immediately. That could have gone badly wrong. Well, it didn't, and let's just be thankful. I thought that KDB had an average game for him, which he's been doing for a while now. I have total faith in him, by the way. Class is permanent, etc. He did well on the breakaway goal, decent pass to Sané, but honestly, I would have been annoyed if he'd fluffed it. But then, as I've often said about KDB, he can be doing nothing very impressive, and then pull out something that nobody else on the pitch could have done (except, just possibly, Silva) — cue that sublime chipped cross to Kun. Kun himself run up blind alleys on a number of occasions, and didn't look threatening at all in the first half. But that goal showed all the bloody minded determination of the man. Eleven goals in eleven games, and people are talking about offloading him? Er, excuse me? He was also working hard elsewhere, and as I say, a fair game, but nothing spectacular. That first half was sterile; we totally dominated possession (but then, that's our trademark) without really threatening anything. Yaya, I noticed, kept slowing down our breakaways, by doing that little cutback with his foot that he does on receiving the ball from the back line, and then, as often as not, making a sideways pass that breaks the whole momentum of the team. If the second half had been anything like the first, there'd be a lot of unhappy bunnies on here this morning.
Anyway, I'm not here to slag off the team's performance, just trying to establish a little bit of clear-eyed perspective. We won 3-0, against a reputable team, without playing anything like our best, apart from one player. When we do play our best, when you've got Kev, Leroy, Spanish Dave, Kun (assuming he's still here?) all playing at something close to the top of their game – add Jesus and Gundogan into the mix – and you've got something terrifying to come. Bring on next season. I am utterly certain that we will either be title winners or challenging right to the end. Meanwhile, top four and maybe the FA Cup will do me nicely.
 
Its equally laughable and sad that a small few on here on a weekly basis back bent and corrupt decisions that go against us and frankly argue against the consensus is ways even rival fans would have a giggle at.

The first angle shown yesterday very clearly shows Sane legs being taken from under him by Foster. Its as clear a penalty as you are ever likely to see but guess what? BT then find an angle from behind and its that angle they have only ever shown after for some obscure reason i cant quite put my finger on and it throws a shadow of doubt into the mix, a mix that some on here have swallowed hook, line and sinker.

Its desperate from the officials, its desperate from the TV companies and its even more desperate from some on here.
 
What planet are you on..?

The players reaction says it wasn't a penalty!!? How about, Peps reaction, how about the fact Otamendi got booked after the incident, how about the fact are players are forced into compliance by post match fines for the club for 'failing to control our players!?'

That is as nailed on a penalty as you will possibly see.I thought it at the time, pep thought so and I have seen nothing since to change my mind. I have also seen nothing compelling that tells me Forster got even the slightest touch on the ball.

I guarantee in a few weeks we will see similar incidents where a penalty will be awarded inspite of the fact the keeper gets a touch on the ball.
Does it really matter whether it was or it wasn't? surely the result is what counts.
 
Its equally laughable and sad that a small few on here on a weekly basis back bent and corrupt decisions that go against us and frankly argue against the consensus is ways even rival fans would have a giggle at.

The first angle shown yesterday very clearly shows Sane legs being taken from under him by Foster. Its as clear a penalty as you are ever likely to see but guess what? BT then find an angle from behind and its that angle they have only ever shown after for some obscure reason i cant quite put my finger on and it throws a shadow of doubt into the mix, a mix that some on here have swallowed hook, line and sinker.

Its desperate from the officials, its desperate from the TV companies and its even more desperate from some on here.

Couldn't agree more

It's a clear pen and it's about the 5th one in the last month or so we haven't had

The club and us fans should be screaming blue murder about this, but we've been brainwashed by BT and the pundits who conned (some of) us. Would we be so forgiving if we hadn't won??
 
Only pluses from that performance:

  • Vinnie was great. Fantastic in defence, everyone round him looked better for his presence
  • welcome back KDB. Good to see the real Kev this week. Not that imposter who found it difficult to string a pass. His two assists were world class
  • Jesus Navas - could have been mom.
  • Kun, serious hard work and another goal.
  • Sane - bloody hell the boy is going to be some player for us
  • Clichy played very well!!!
  • pressing was excellent, we were winning the ball back very quickly
  • ball retention better than lately and some of the interplay was sumptuous
  • looking really good in time for the semi
And Bravo caught at least two balls!
 
Does it really matter whether it was or it wasn't? surely the result is what counts.

If it wasn't happening every game I'd agree with you, but I've lost count of how many pens we should've had this season.

Pretty much this. It's not just yesterday, it is a clear tendency of calls going against us that has been consistent throughout the season (I thought it was a nailed-on penalty, by the way, but even if it was “grey”, it's the kind of call that other clubs have been getting in their favour, and we never seem to get, not this season, anyway.)
 
any ref....... except the one on the pitch.... !!!!

thats all that maters....

People on here love to have the excuse of the ref...it happens even before a ball is kicked. its like a protection mechanism that kicks in even days before the game...people start "betting" on certain ref's giving dodgy decisions and saying its why we might lose/or not win. They do this cause its easier/nicer/safer to make an excuse and get that excuse in so they can then hark back to it and say "i told you so" instead of admitting at those times that the team just wasn't good enough on that one occasion (which some never can)....that is a hard thing to do for some and impossible for a few...

Of course wrong decisions can be made and are made but thats the beauty of the game....its still open to human error and its a small part of why its so exciting....

Like i also said in reply to someone else...the keeper gets a touch and because its a keeper it aint a foul (if an outfield player had done it it probably would have been a foul) but keepers get a different set of "rules" (unwritten) as well.

People just need to man up a bit on this subject and accept its part of the game.
I don't blame the ref for not giving it, it was a penalty though, or should I listen to you say no or an ex pro ref who says yes
Man up? Fuck off
 

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