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Oh and haaland has clocked off for the season as he doesn't want to get injured for the world cup imho.

What the fuck has happened to him?

He's either injured or had his had turned or had a huge row behind the scenes. Or he is absolutely physically and mentally frazzled.

We go on the pitch with 10 men lately.
He's one of our club captains and after another poor performance and giving up a two nil lead He's happy to be laughing and smiling with our opponents players.
Can't imagine Bernardo or Ruben carrying on like that.
If he starts Wednesday and at Klanfield then Peps spineless.
 
Cherki is an enigma. Sets to deceive. Hence why he is getting bollocked off Pep. He really needs to up his work rate. Very flat performances throughout the team.
For reasons unknown
He's incapable of influencing the game in both halves.
Admittedly today he got a knock but it's every game he starts in.
 
The players are bareft

But we didn’t against one of the worst PL teams, missing 11 first team players, and one of the worst teams in the history of Spurs.

Their fans planned a 75th minute walk out.

They all stayed after the score went to 2-2.

Imagine if it was still 0-2.

Spurs fans walking out in their 1000’s, crushing an already defeated Spurs team.

But oh no, Spurs get it back to 2-2 and the stadium is full of Spurs fans cheering the Spurs team on.

No wonder our fans are frustrated, and the thread was 65 pages long when you posted.
Ok so frustrated = post on here. Shame that so many can’t come on here when we win.
 
oh please stfu about the refs. everyone on here. they are not biased theres no agenda and they would have checked the offside. we used to get tons and tons of bollocks penalties at home when sterling would run into the box get touched and fall over.
If the refs were biased then surly Rodri would of received a second yellow card.
There shite not biased
 
Absolutely . We'll said. I love Pep but it is completely unprofessional for him before a PL game not to be there to prepare the team before a game. I'm all for him speaking at a political rally but it is bad behaviour and not normal at managerial level in the PL. Before a game ? Pep Lijnders has prepared the team very well for this game today and deserves credit for it. But Pep Guardiola has let the side down by his own standards and the club's. We need a prompt decision from him if he is going to leave at the end of the season or sooner or not at all.
Can you imagine peps reaction to a player not attending a training session or pre match meeting.the day before a game.
 
Rarely critical of our team but today was absolutely abysmal ... we are as soft as shitte and our cowardice in possession along with our robotic slow pointless fvukin around at the back make's us so fvukin easy to play against ... they were pis poor today and we practically surrendered with a gutless spineless 2nd half display ... even sucked the energy out of our brilliant supporters ... God help us next weekend... they will eat this team alive ... our lack of physicality is fvukin unacceptable ... don't mind not winning as long as we fvukin compete ... we didn't today ... tactically inept and seemingly incapable of change ... onwards but something has to change
 
NOR fucks up twice in 5 minutes, and it costs, conceding promising plays to the opposition. You see, ignorance of danger and inexperience cost (remember Chelsea's equalizer?). However, I can name players, far more experienced, who cannot be satisfied with their performance tonight. Some of them came from the bench, maybe because they were not trusted to start anyway. Miles away from the required standard...

Penalty in the end (sorry that's not football, that play belongs to wrestling), they gave it against Romero (Spurs, by the way) for fouling Burn vs Newcastle. This is probably worse, but it was ignored...

Do I blame the ref? Nope. Why? Because this is not new. Quite the opposite, it's the norm. We are officiated differently, period. This is cancer, we grew older with this, it's going on for 10 consecutive years. The club is supposed to be aware of the situation. That means, taking appropriate measures and actions OFF AS WELL AS ON the pitch. That also means we have to try harder. We have to be perfect. I'm sorry, that's the discipline for City...

I do not enjoy posting these days, and if I do I will only repeat myself, so what's the point? The club's "strategy", a sequence of managerial decisions, remains a mystery to me, I cannot find any logic behind them. Tonight, for example, balances in midfield were extremely delicate, once again. We had a lot of players operating there, yet we lacked control in the absolute key area of the pitch. Not competitive enough with the ball, fragile without it. Story of this season...

However, that only comes as a consequence of 2 elements, the combination of which pretty much defines City's reality for years:
a. Low, or extremely low, energy levels.
b. Major drop in terms of individual quality.


With the exception of Chelsea, once again we started preseason when all other teams were on the final stages of it. Basically, when all other teams were completing it. However, the club insists on operating in the framework of a small squad. The team has been a moving hospital for months, obliged to register kids as subs. Players that would never appear on the pitch (unless, of course, we ever had a 3 goals lead advantage or something). We have wasted numerous quality opportunities in the transfer market for years, players who could have helped us in every single area of the pitch from the beginning or after a short period of adaptation. Players who left their clubs for cheap or reasonable, in any case definitely affordable prices. [By the way, I will resist the temptation to mention names here, I will definitely not enter that discussion for obvious reasons. I am sure every single member of this forum reading these lines fully understands what I mean]. Instead we have "invested" huge hopes and expectations to some young, talented players, who need time to develop. Exactly because they are not finished articles. Also to some seniors who have not offered till now what was expected from them. Nevertheless we still remain limited in certain positions, and it shows. So I guess the club is not particularly "hungry", is it? I mean, it seems like the club is willing to wait, with the team operating as a "vehicle" for the development of certain players...

Is the above statement correct though? After all, we are letting Oscar Bob leave, for example, aren't we? So I guess we are not waiting for his progress anymore. Make that make sense. Because the fact remains that we did count on Oscar Bob for half a season, didn't we? I know it's rather uncomfortable, but let me remind you that City started with Bob away at A. Villa, just an example. Do you remember Villa's position on the table at that moment? That match was the beginning of a magnificent streak, leading to 3rd place. Yes, the match vs City. Oscar Bob does not start for A. Villa at that moment of time. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. In fact, Oscar Bob does not have a place in Emery's bench. We also started with Savio in that match, would he start for Emery? I fully support the man, but I'm not sure Matheus starts ahead of M. Cash either. Not to mention, we started with Rudolph and Bernardo in midfield, if you remember. And so on. Why shouldn't THAT City lose against that Villa, can somebody please explain? We are talking about Villa, by the way. Not Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Arsenal etc. Is that clear?

Did I mention Arsenal? Against them, that was the 3rd match in a week with the same lineup. Forget about the lineup itself for a moment, how competitive you think it is / can be, focus on what I' ve just written instead. With Pep giving his best Helenio Herrera impression, and with players who could hardly walk, never mind run. Erling goes through in the 2nd half, he scores there it's 0-2, practically game over. But he's "dead", so he delivers a routine strike, easy for their GK. People forget such "details" for some reason, "details" that decide the outcome of matches. A few minutes later, Erling will naturally be subbed (Phil was already off). The thing is, we were dying out there, yet the manager had to wait until 87' so as to introduce Savio, apparently he could not trust the boy for more minutes in such a game -and he was right. On the other hand, Arteta brought people like Saka, Eze (who was considered surplus for City, I assume), even Martinelli, from the bench! And guess what, it was the latter who scored in 90' + 2, saving Arsenal. How can that be possible for a club expected to compete at the highest possible level? What exactly are we debating here? Let's not pretend we do not understand what's going on. And let's not forget that this shit would never happen (and it did not happen) at City under Mancini or Pelegrini. Period...

The team used to "carry" Phil (the model procedure: his progress did not "hurt" City), no we are "carrying" a lot of players, for different reasons. It's supposed to be the other way around. So you're thinking, in 2, 4, 6 months the kids could show significant progress. However, in 2, 4, 6 months it could be bye bye to the PL, CL etc. History does not wait for you, I'm sorry. But as I've already said, that's not even the case any more for Oscar, the boy is being sold. Good luck to him, I have zero complaints from him or Savio, it's not their fault. As for Hugo Viana, he gets zero credit for Antoine's transfer, for example, as far as I am concerned. The player (not good tonight, by the way, despite his goal) arrived 6 months late, to say the least. And guess what, we are never getting the above mentioned (Villa away) 3 points back, if you understand what I mean. I know exactly the mess Viana has inherited from his predecessor, I am fully aware of his starting position. But, unlike his predecessor, an extremely lucky man, he seems to have a football as well as a managerial brain. Which means, I expected more. Everything he's done so far is / seems to be in the right direction, let me put is this way. Yet it's half measures. Period...

A few final comments regarding tonight's match. This is the PL, right? Which means:
- You don't win games by avoiding to play the whole match.
- You don't win games by showing fear to the opposistion.
- You don't win games if you lose all fucking duels, being bullied throughout 90', always second on the ball.
- You don't win games if you lack focus and concentration, offensively as well as defensively (this team is experienced enough to know this, take my word for it).

This group of players has gone WAY BEYOND its limits for years. Beating fatigue, nature itself, in the framework of a brilliant strategy emphasizing on control. On the basis of maintaining possession of the ball and keeping rhythm as low as possible, thus cancelling opposition's advantage in terms of energy levels. It has never EVER happened before (for so long, by the way), it will never happen again. Yet we are struggling with this strategy at the moment (despite the introduction of a variety of very interesting new tactical ideas), and the reason is directly associated with the drop of quality I've mentioned above. We are not as creative as we should be with the ball, we are not as solid as we should be without it. We are struggling to control matches. Which, in turn, leads to lack of confidence, it's more than obvious. It was City's attitude, a City avoiding to compete, lacking ambition in their game, that gave hope to Spurs during 2nd half...

That's the most painful thing for me tonight. We accepted a team with a well known history deliver their usual WC Final performance against City. Appear like winners (which they aren't). People like Palhinha, Simons, Solanke etc (not being disrespectful here, they are good players, no doubt about that) appear like monsters. And so on. We had them where we wanted, and we threw it away. The mindset was totally wrong. It's highly disapointing and painful, I know, but I'm trying to focus on the "whys". Limitations in certain positions, lack of quality, lack of freshness, are stuff obvious for everyone to observe. Stuff bound to have an influence to a team's morale and performance. But there's also another dimension: You keep bringing good players in a squad so as to maintain the "hunger". We have players in that squad who have won a lot. Too much actually. I'm not questioning their professionalism, never will. It's human nature. New good players will strengthen you, facilitate the rotation policy effectively (which provides freshness), enhance internal competition, keep motivation high...

Bottom line: All these years, City's hierarchy thought they had found the winning formula. They were wrong. They were always wrong. It only worked because of the Guardiola factor. Take a look at the circumstances under which he delivered, take a look at our squads all these years. Take a good look. I have talked repeatedly about this, I'm not coming back. No manager would ever be in a position to design a strategy with 4 CBs, just an example, one of so many. It would never EVER occur. I assume Pep did not ask, never mind demand, City's hierarchy did not respond. And he went on to win the treble. In the 21st century, with 4 CBs. [If you think what I' ve just written went unnoticed in the football industry and media, think again. You're wrong. They chose silence. I wonder why...]. We have been violating basic principles of the sport, we have been disrespecting common logic for years. Last season history and nature took their revenge. I'm praying it won't happen again this season. The idea of watching that **** in London celebrating is already killing me, I know I will never recover. I know it. But if it happens, we only have ourselves to blame...

Hugo Viana has a lot of work to do. Good luck to the team...

PS. I know a lot of the stuff I've written would belong to another thread. I apologize. Thank you for your time.
 
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This was disappointing, especially given Spurs’ current situation. The atmosphere was strange today, their fans felt really apathetic. In the first half we should have put the game to bed. We played some really good combination football at times but eased off, could have been three or four goals up.

Cherki was outstanding, silky and intelligent on the ball, with a great feel for the game. I don’t think Haaland and Semenyo together is a great balance, but when you have someone like Cherki alongside them it can work. The problem is when you take him off and the replacements are Reijnders who’s still settling and a low confidence Foden. You just can’t replace that level of control and creativity.

On top of that, we have so many injuries. Doku is out, Diaz out, Rodri has only just returned, Gonzalez is coming back from injury, Gvardiol is injured, Savinho is out. When you’re in a transition like this and lack cohesion, those missing relationships matter more.

Yes, it’s frustrating in the context of the title race, but I’ll take a point away at a ground we traditionally struggle at. The focus now is on regrouping and moving forward. Liverpool will be tough next week but if we get a few key players back and learn from today, there’s every chance we can get a result Anfield especially given how inconsistent they’ve been this season.

The reaction from some people has been completely ott. Calling for Pep to leave is ridiculous and out of touch. It was a draw away, not a disaster. We should support the team, especially with a cup semi final coming up and hopefully a final after that.
Savinho?
 
You’ve argued that they were right, but you haven’t seen anything to say that they were?

Is this the Haaland one, where he was wrestled to the ground by 2 players? Have we seen a full image of the incident yet?

I’ve argued against those saying it’s a foul if the ball isn’t in play, as it’s been a fundamental part of the law forever. I said I haven’t seen it back but the logic they used is absolutely true if that is the case.
 
We aren’t “giving up midfield”, we don’t have the quality of player to control the midfield like we used to.

We’ve gone from prime Kev, Rodri and Gundogan to the likes of Reijnders, Lewis, a worn out Bernardo and a past it Rodders. That combination could control a midfield in the Championship mate.

Secondly, there is no difference in how we transition. We are still playing the slow, methodical “move up the pitch” method we have for years.

Yes we are, we are way more spread out now and playing much more direct than we have done, look at our stats for this season compared to any that went before. We’re pretty much playing a 424 at best most of the time, there’s been only a handful of games this season where I’ve seen us knowingly want to overload the midfield (which I wish we’d do more given it worked every time).

There’s clearly a reason we’re changing to that way of playing though and Peps hinted at it a few times. Personally, I disagree with him and I do wonder if he’s now reconsidering it himself, which might be causing some of the issues.
 
If the refs were biased then surly Rodri would of received a second yellow card.
There shite not biased
I thought Rodri was very lucky to get a second yellow, but I've just watched both incidents again in slow motion several times

For the first Rodri clearly pulls his foot out of the challenge. For the second its nothing more than a touch on the shoulder

On both incidents the Spurs player goes down like he's been shot, obviously totally aware who it was and that he was on a yellow
 
I’m not sure,

I see a coach obsessed with “control’, with no acknowledgement that we simply don’t have players good enough to do that anymore.

We need to completely drop this attitude of trying to take the sting out of games, or going one up then dawdling about for 40 mins after, and then when the tempo of the game goes up we simply can’t react.

If Pep really wants that pass, pass, pass control, then the players you sign have to reflec that.

Some recent ones couldn’t control a pass never mind a game.

I don’t think he does want that anymore and at the minute we’re worse for it.
 
Too many people here are focusing on the 'micro' and not the 'macro. Far too much bickering about personnel decisions etc.

It doesn't matter. There is a clear structural issue with the team. It has been the case all season. We cannot control games when teams actually have a go.
 
What the fuck is Pep saying to the players at half-time?

Sadly, today’s second half performance was pretty much what we’ve come to expect this season. We always look so flat and disinterested and only show signs of life when the damage is already done.
 
What the fuck is Pep saying to the players at half-time?

Sadly, today’s second half performance was pretty much what we’ve come to expect this season. We always look so flat and disinterested and only show signs of life when the damage is already done.
It's not about that.

Spurs improved massively at HT. They dug in and forced us to play their game and when teams do that we crumble and it's been that way all season and likely will remain that way for the rest of the season.
 
When Kev joined us, David and Yaya were already here. Kev had to prove he was at their level - and he did. However, Cherki is another stella player (two years younger than Kev when he joined us) but he doesn't have the luxury of settling in amongst born winners at the top of their game before he starts calling the shots. He has Rodri behind him (still going through the tough year all players who have had that injury go through) and Phil who is struggling (illness maybe). Bernardo is running his balls off this season - maybe his last with us. What we don't know about Cherki is his personality. If he has the personality to match his talent then we have a megastar. You know what I mean, at a young age, Kev was able to confidently assert himself with David and Yaya et al (let me talk!!!!....) and had the ability to almost flick a switch when we were under pressure, and hurt the opposition with a vicious missile of a shot or an unbelievable pass.

I also noticed with Kev that team mates had to earn his trust for him to give them the ball on the attack. Kev trusted Riyad - always gave him the ball and gave young Phil a hard time now and again. I'm optimistic that Cherki can take that next step and realise that he is now the main man we're relying on to hurt the opposition.
 
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