No one is calling him shit, it's just the further we get away from him as an actual player the more nostalgia that builds around him. There's players in the current squad who have done things he never achieved, including 3 in a row and a CL. And in ten years there will be people on here saying we don't have players we have now. Let's just see how the season pans out, Kompany had bad games too.Ah fuck! You’re right!! He was a shit player and one example of a bad performance totally and utterly negates my point!!!!!!! Fuckkk!!!!!!!!!!!
Please don’t post any more examples like his astounding own goals or I’ll be really undone!!!!
So, instead of reading the last 20 pages.
Are we fucked or just a blip?
Yup! Hart was a major dressing room problem & thought he was Billy Big Bollocks.**Record scratch pause**
Wait.. WHAT??
Did that seriously happen?? I know Mancini was sacked but I never knew there was a Hart led coup against him!
Yup! Hart was a major dressing room problem & thought he was Billy Big Bollocks.
He undermined Mancini to the point where in his on pitch interview after winning our first PL title, he said the victory was nothing to do with Bobby Manc, & it was all the players' doing.
Guardiola was lined up to arrive at the Etihad that summer, but the board didn't want the bad optics of sacking Mancini after such a historic last ditched win.
Pep took a season out & the following January he signed a 3 year deal to become Bayern manager. City went for Pellegrini as essentially a caretaker manager until Pep had finished his stint in Germany.
It was all a bit messy, but City's master-plan was always Pep Guardiola. He'd have been here in 2012 if not for the Agueroooooooo moment.
In preparation for Guardiola's rumoured arrival, KDB, Sterling & Stones were bought, with Gundog arriving from Dortmund when Pep took over the reins.
As for Hart, his & Toure's cards had been marked. Hart was immediately told he wasn't in Pep's plans & was loaned out for the season & then eventually sold.
Yaya was essentially sidelined & moved on after Pep's first season. After that came the Centurion season & the rest was history.
Tevez, Kompany & Hart.There were three or four 'leaders' of the revolt against Mancini, and Joe Hart was one of them, the majority of the rest just followed suit because the 'leaders' had full control of the dressing room.
Joe got just what he deserved as soon as Pep Guardiola walked through the door.
My immediate thought after watching again the game, it was a hard watch for any City fan, watching our team struggle but also it was a blueprint on how to beat City, so well done to the Spurs manager Thomas Frank.Today Spurs had a strong 3 man midfield (Sarr Bentancur Palhinha) in a formation that pushed up against our 1 man midfield (Nico) who needed support from his midfield teammates (Reijnders Cherki) who were tasked with supporting attack.
Did Pep see that Spurs were dominating midfield and ignored it (not wanting to admit mistakes) or did he think that we'd play over/around them.
We had 60% possession but the 40% for Spurs was used better.
Want to beat City?
Either 1) play high line have forwards press with close midfield backup and force errors as today
Or 2) sit deep with packed defence and midfield in 4-5-1 and when City lose the ball hoof it to rapid forwards to chase and win set piece chances
City were the pariah of European football. The G14, UEFA & the Sky 4 plus Spuds were gunning for us. City didn't want the additional adverse publicity of ditching Mancini after the Agueroooooooo moment, but the players knew what was happening behind the scenes & Hart in particular took the piss.Man ignorance is bliss!
Apparently I missed a good deal of things.
Never expected this result?Never expected this result but again silly mistakes costing us & still trying to play players in the wrong positions.
Pep was outsmarted today by spurs manager & I think we are going to see it a few times this season.
Biggest gaff is asking a new keeper to play like Eddie v spurs in his 2nd game.
Plenty of teams are going to go at us as we have zero fear factor & im not sure we have the players to get it back like we did.
Donaruma & Rodrygo are not answer & will be issues to move on for the next manager for me.
Squad is so unsettled with so many players not sure if they are staying or going! Just really bad planning catching up to us & likely going to cost us again this season
We have a lot to sort out on and off the field I would suggest.Apart from Porro.. and that’s debatable.. there isn’t 1 player in spurs starting 11 that would get in our starting 11
Yet they looked so much better as a team
Not sure what to take from that
It's simple. Rico's the only regularly fit player who understands Pep's complex inverted tactic. Stones said that when asked to do the same by Guardiola in the treble season, he had to ask Rico how to do it.Maybe it's just a blip - our matches against the Spurs are always an aberration - it always seems to be their Cup final, their defence played like men possessed, and their midfielders gave our players no time on the ball, they also got away with some rough house tackles. Needless to say Spurs will not play like that against the red shirts.
The likes of Cherki and Reijnders struggled with the Spurs press, but our biggest problem was the back four, as good a footballer Rico is - he is not a defender and has no natural place in the team, and Dias is not the player he was, I think he is really poor now, both are soo slow, I can't understand why Nunes is not at RB ahead of Rico, he played some very good games at RB at the end of last season - and the defence is crying out for Khusanov ahead of Dias. We will improve hopefully, but there are worrying signs also that we have not yet become a cohesive unit - Frank managed to do this in a matter of weeks
It's our inverted full back system at fault, not the quality of the players being asked to play it. That's on Pep...Apart from Porro.. and that’s debatable.. there isn’t 1 player in spurs starting 11 that would get in our starting 11
Yet they looked so much better as a team
Not sure what to take from that
Maya must be wearing the poor lad out .... he can't be getting much sleep of a nightime anymore, so he's doing most of it out on the pitch!
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You’re absolutely right pal, it’s all cyclical, and you make a damn good point Kompany never won the CL, or the treble, but it took the team standing on the shoulders of what he and the players of his ‘era’ to reachNo one is calling him shit, it's just the further we get away from him as an actual player the more nostalgia that builds around him. There's players in the current squad who have done things he never achieved, including 3 in a row and a CL. And in ten years there will be people on here saying we don't have players we have now. Let's just see how the season pans out, Kompany had bad games too.
From memory wasn't kompany one ?There were three or four 'leaders' of the revolt against Mancini, and Joe Hart was one of them, the majority of the rest just followed suit because the 'leaders' had full control of the dressing room.
Joe got just what he deserved as soon as Pep Guardiola walked through the door.
I don’t think that’s true. Given pep’s insistence on playing such a high line van der ven would be perfect for us given his pace.Apart from Porro.. and that’s debatable.. there isn’t 1 player in spurs starting 11 that would get in our starting 11
Yet they looked so much better as a team
Not sure what to take from that