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[thegoatsthegoat]

So, we lost because we couldn’t defend as well as expected and didn’t do as well as expected in the final third?

Did you look at that team before kick off? I didn’t and just thought that we would win because Spurs had done fuck all in the market. But when you look at the huge amount of changes, the interactions with players, and the lack of pre-season, I soon realised, with the lack of our (historical) first team players, it was going to be a tough ask.

The overall outcome is subject to opinion, but the lack of cohesion, with an inclusion of Trafford in this system, obviously had an impact on the game.

Pretty easy question but if Ederson plays does much change? That second may not happen but you cannot even say that confidently considering he has done that TWICE against Spurs and cost us goals. My point is that there was many things wrong with us and a keeper not kicking it as far was not the problem. Whilst Wolves was crap the week before, nobody said Trafford had an impact on our play in a positive way?

It took him 5 or 6 years to mess up like that.

No it didn't. Made a few stinkers first season. One at Anfield for starters. They all just got ignored which you have just proven .

 

[Father Paul]

Never forget how the press work in this country…..they have pushed and pushed the Donnarumma rumours which has no doubt had an affect on Trafford (they know what they are doing )

Trafford is exceptional with his hands and saving shots…..he does not have to try and prove he is an Ederson clone.

I’m not sure there is anyone else with Edersons skill set so we need to adapt and stop the passing back in tight situations.

Are you seriously suggesting that the goons in the media are responsible for Traffords poor play last Saturday?

 

[salfordbluetrue]

Got no problem with the players, Pep lost us that game, he did not learn from the Palermo game, in which we could not get the ball out of our half, in the first 25 minutes, and he did not learn from the PSG Tottenham game, where a far better team than us PSG could not get the ball out of their half. PSG learnt, they played long because Tottenham are not much good with the ball, it did not matter if the ball went to a Tottenham player, because the game got played in the Tottenham half.
Pep has built a rod for his own back, this result just cements the belief that all you have to do to City, is play on the counter, not that that was what Tottenham did , nor did they play the high press, they played man to man marking, where if you lose your challenge, you just drop a foul in, not that they lost many, in fact they had a high win rate, but the result is the same, the ball goes back to the keeper, and we saw how that went

 

[bluegaz13]

Are you seriously suggesting that the goons in the media are responsible for Traffords poor play last Saturday?

What I'm saying is that it played it's part....they got into his head.

Do you think the speculation about him being replaced by Donnarumma actually helped him ?

A little similar to when Neville and his friends kept mentioning Fernandinho and the 'professional fouls' etc.

They knew what they were doing and it definitely influenced the referees.

 

[supercity88]

Got no problem with the players, Pep lost us that game, he did not learn from the Palermo game, in which we could not get the ball out of our half, in the first 25 minutes, and he did not learn from the PSG Tottenham game, where a far better team than us PSG could not get the ball out of their half. PSG learnt, they played long because Tottenham are not much good with the ball, it did not matter if the ball went to a Tottenham player, because the game got played in the Tottenham half.
Pep has built a rod for his own back, this result just cements the belief that all you have to do to City, is play on the counter, not that that was what Tottenham did , nor did they play the high press, they played man to man marking, where if you lose your challenge, you just drop a foul in, not that they lost many, in fact they had a high win rate, but the result is the same, the ball goes back to the keeper, and we saw how that went

That's what concerned me. We've heard and seen a lot about going more direct. The Spurs game was the game to do it. They can't cope with it and the evidence was there based on how PSG broke them down and how we played when boxed in by Palermo. I was surprised Rico started, didn't know why Marmoush was playing wide left where he's nowhere near as effective and thought, with Cherki in the middle we'd be a bit more direct in our play.

It felt like we were playing this hybrid style where sometimes we'd go long, usually just giving it away and other times we'd keep the ball and were ineffective.

It's early days so not losing hope just yet.

 

[TinFoilHat]

It Spurs.

They'll lose to Bournemouth next weekend.

The cunts.

 

[Gumzy97]

We were much better than people are talking about in the first hour of the game. Even our build up is fine for a large portion of that period before Bernardo comes on. We go long and create chances, and we play through the lines and create chances.

Spurs were more aggressive than us in moments, but that felt like a fitness/rhythm thing to me. When Bernardo came on the team got demonstrably worse because he lost three or four duels and gave the ball away. Team didn't really recover until Pep brought Foden on and shifted Bernardo out to the right wing.

That same team that started on Saturday will take someone apart big time in the next couple of months. They're really not that far away. People talking about pace and high lines just feels like the same boring cliches we've had throughout Pep's time at City.

But it's the same tactic teams used last season. Where we look vulnerable, ball over the top and opposition teams are in. Same tactic over and over again. All teams have to do against us is play that ball over the top.

We can't counter it, that's the issue, to beat us all a team has to do is defend win the ball back, play over the top into space and their in. Defence is losing too many duels in the air, losing second balls constantly in defence when trying to get back during transition.

The attack will do its job this season but that defence is awful. Even against Wolves they had opportunities on the counter and transitions.

 

[David Silva #21]

This situation will not end until Pep leaves.

 

[oxopop]

This situation will not end until Pep leaves.

Sadly I agree, we are simply not learning. In am more angry today than Sat! First home game And a chance to build a fortress. Awful, awful display.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Sadly I agree, we are simply not learning. In am more angry today than Sat! First home game And a chance to build a fortress. Awful, awful display.

Or looking at things another way, plenty of games still to come where we can " build the fortress " .

 

[TonyBookEnd]

But it's the same tactic teams used last season. Where we look vulnerable, ball over the top and opposition teams are in. Same tactic over and over again. All teams have to do against us is play that ball over the top.

We can't counter it, that's the issue, to beat us all a team has to do is defend win the ball back, play over the top into space and their in. Defence is losing too many duels in the air, losing second balls constantly in defence when trying to get back during transition.

The attack will do its job this season but that defence is awful. Even against Wolves they had opportunities on the counter and transitions.

So is the problem the tactics or the fact that players are not winning their duels or 2nd balls?

 

[Blue_Lightsaber]

Sadly I agree, we are simply not learning. In am more angry today than Sat! First home game And a chance to build a fortress. Awful, awful display.

Don't forget we built a fortress after Frank's Brentford beat us in November 22!

 

[East Level 2]

This situation will not end until Pep leaves.

Or until we bring in players more suited to his preferred tactics. Starting with at least two fast defenders.

 

[Roachy]

But it's the same tactic teams used last season. Where we look vulnerable, ball over the top and opposition teams are in. Same tactic over and over again. All teams have to do against us is play that ball over the top.

We can't counter it, that's the issue, to beat us all a team has to do is defend win the ball back, play over the top into space and their in. Defence is losing too many duels in the air, losing second balls constantly in defence when trying to get back during transition.

The attack will do its job this season but that defence is awful. Even against Wolves they had opportunities on the counter and transitions.

A fair point. I mentioned it somewhere else and that is the issue of giving the ball away cheaply. We're in an offensive set up high up the pitch, next thing we're back peddling trying to regain some shape. There was some nice passing against spurs but ball retention didn't seem great at times. Granted spurs hassled and hurried is a lot, and hopefully we'll become more resistant to that in the next few weeks.

 

[The perfect fumble]

 

[Marvin.]

Thanks. I agree with this point of view re Trafford. Play Ederson, and Spurs would have been exposed. Get through the high press and Spurs get exposed. We couldn't do it with Trafford.

But what do we about Trafford. Stick him in training for a year and hope he learns.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Thanks. I agree with this point of view re Trafford. Play Ederson, and Spurs would have been exposed. Get through the high press and Spurs get exposed. We couldn't do it with Trafford.

But what do we about Trafford. Stick him in training for a year and hope he learns.

It's a conundrum, but one of our own making and we need to sort it out. I don't want the lad scapegoated, this is on Pep and his support team.

 

[oxopop]

Tha

Or looking at things another way, plenty of games still to come where we can " build the fortress " .

That's true but the first fucking game and like so many last season!

 

[Cassandra]

Carragher and Henry have done an analysis of how Frank's tactics surprised Pep that they played in advance of the Newcastle v Liverpool game that was very interesting. They showed that the inability of Trafford to play short and long passes allowed Spurs to go man for man on City because they knew that Trafford could not hit Haaland as Ederson so commonly does and that he oould not make himself the extra man at the back.

I have probably not explained it very well. They used video images to help illustrate the tactics.

This is worrying because I cannot see Trafford developing quickly and if Donnarumma comes in, then he also is not going to be able to replicate Ederson. Other people have made this point about the importance of Ederson and I ignored it but perhaps it hits home more when you see a team so thoroughly beat City using tactics that are made possible because of the change in keeper.

I think this is a theoretical argument, I don’t see Ederson finding Haaland that often, so building a whole strategy around that doesn’t hold water for me.

 

[Axel Freed]

Carragher and Henry have done an analysis of how Frank's tactics surprised Pep that they played in advance of the Newcastle v Liverpool game that was very interesting. They showed that the inability of Trafford to play short and long passes allowed Spurs to go man for man on City because they knew that Trafford could not hit Haaland as Ederson so commonly does and that he oould not make himself the extra man at the back.

I have probably not explained it very well. They used video images to help illustrate the tactics.

This is worrying because I cannot see Trafford developing quickly and if Donnarumma comes in, then he also is not going to be able to replicate Ederson. Other people have made this point about the importance of Ederson and I ignored it but perhaps it hits home more when you see a team so thoroughly beat City using tactics that are made possible because of the change in keeper.

Esteemed coaches Carragher and Henry

If those clowns had a clue how to analyse tactics they wouldn't be on tv trotting out cliches masquerading as analysis, they'd be successful coaches