Spurs thread 2020/21

JimB said:
I would say congrats on the win yesterday but, to be brutally honest, it doesn't take much to beat Spurs at the moment! That said, your boys are on an exceptional run of results and clearly playing very well. Back to your best of a couple of seasons ago? Quite some turnaround from early season when a large number on BM were questioning whether it was time for Pep to go (and wondering what Gundogan had to do to get dropped)!

As to Spurs, I was never convinced about Jose's appointment but was prepared to give him time to prove me wrong. At 3-0 up 20 minutes into the game against West Ham back in October, I thought that we could finally be onto something. We looked lethal going forward. But for the remaining 70 minutes of that game and ever since, we have been dogshit. I haven't watched any of our games since early December. Makes me too pissed off to see such attacking talent go to waste; and too nervous to watch a porous defence trying to see out narrow wins rather than the team trying to score more. Not good for the state of mind given everything else going on in the world!

I think Jose's days are numbered, even in the unlikely event that he does win a trophy this season. I can hardly wait for the day that he goes.

Just a quick word about this debt that you've been discussing on here....

First off, even in Swiss Ramble's very broad definition of debt, the headline figure is £1.17 billion - not £1.77 billion as claimed on here!

Secondly, Swiss Ramble's (self-confessedly academic) definition of debt includes:

- financial debt
- transfer debt
- operational debt (wages owed to staff etc.)

It is by adding these three up that he arrives at the total of £1.17 billion. But bear in mind that this particular Swiss Ramble twitter thread was focusing on debt. If you look behind the headline figure, you will also see that:

- Spurs has £252 million in cash and transfer receivables
- operational debt is effectively just the normal costs of running the business

So what it amounts to in the real world is this:

Spurs has £605m net financial debt plus £114m net transfer debt. A total of £719m actual debt. Operational debt is covered by operational income.

All in all, none of this is surprising. Spurs took on £650m debt for the stadium construction and a further £175m from the Bank of England to help cope with the fallout from COVID. The vast majority of the debt is long term (average maturity 23 years) and total interest payments are modest at £15m per annum. Interest on the BoE loan, at 0.5% pa, accounts for £875K of the interest payable.

So while the figures seem huge, there is no immediate cause for concern for Spurs - especially if, as expected, the ongoing impact of COVID will lead to extending the BoE loan for as long as is necessary.
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I’ve never not watched City no matter how poor they were and in these COVID times not being able to get to the games then being an armchair supporter is all there is.

What more damming critique of Mourinho can there be that Spuds own fans can’t bring themselves to watch the turgid shite he serves up. I’ve got a few spuds supporting friends/ acquaintances, all decent fellas. It’s all I can do not to laugh at them. Still, wouldn’t be surprised if you win the league cup and then Levy is fully justified in appointing the septic one
 
journolud said:
I’ve never not watched City no matter how poor they were and in these COVID times not being able to get to the games then being an armchair supporter is all there is.

What more damming critique of Mourinho can there be that Spuds own fans can’t bring themselves to watch the turgid shite he serves up. I’ve got a few spuds supporting friends/ acquaintances, all decent fellas. It’s all I can do not to laugh at them. Still, wouldn’t be surprised if you win the league cup and then Levy is fully justified in appointing the septic one
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Likewise me with Spurs before the past 2-3 months.

It's not the losing that has done it. Nor even the poor quality of football. I've experienced more than enough of both over the years. Instead, it's a perfect storm of reasons that has forced me to take a sabbatical from watching Spurs - some entirely Mourinho's fault; others entirely out of his control.

Firstly, it's the lack of ambition. The cowardice. It is antithetical to Spurs' DNA. We've been shit before, of course. But the team always at least tried to live up to its attacking ideals. I can't bear watching us willingly concede possession and having to defend - badly, as often as not - for long periods. Not just against the likes of you. But against the likes of Brighton, Palace and Fulham too. It's embarrassing.

Secondly, it's the waste. Spurs currently has some of the best attacking talent that it has ever had. Some of the best in the Premier League. Some of the best in Europe, even. And Mourinho has done nothing to get anything like the most out of them. There is no attacking pattern of play. Just a reliance on the individual brilliance of three players (Kane, Son and Ndombele). If we're going to lose, we should at least be losing like we did against Everton in the cup.

Watching us was making me so anxious, so angry. Not going for the jugular when winning; retreating into defence; surrendering any kind of initiative or control; invariably conceding a late equaliser or winner for the opposition.

Add the COVID situation to the mix and it became really toxic. Normally, I can shake off a wretched performance and dropped points by throwing myself into all the other things I do to occupy my thoughts and time. But with life so limited as it is now by COVID restrictions, it became impossible to shake off each loss and cowardly performance. There are no other welcome distractions so the feelings linger for days. I have long battled with depression anyway and I decided that, on top of everything else, I really didn't need the foul moods that watching Spurs was putting me in. So I stopped watching.

I feel much better for it!
 
JimB said:
Likewise me with Spurs before the past 2-3 months.

It's not the losing that has done it. Nor even the poor quality of football. I've experienced more than enough of both over the years. Instead, it's a perfect storm of reasons that has forced me to take a sabbatical from watching Spurs - some entirely Mourinho's fault; others entirely out of his control.

Firstly, it's the lack of ambition. The cowardice. It is antithetical to Spurs' DNA. We've been shit before, of course. But the team always at least tried to live up to its attacking ideals. I can't bear watching us willingly concede possession and having to defend - badly, as often as not - for long periods. Not just against the likes of you. But against the likes of Brighton, Palace and Fulham too. It's embarrassing.

Secondly, it's the waste. Spurs currently has some of the best attacking talent that it has ever had. Some of the best in the Premier League. Some of the best in Europe, even. And Mourinho has done nothing to get anything like the most out of them. There is no attacking pattern of play. Just a reliance on the individual brilliance of three players (Kane, Son and Ndombele). If we're going to lose, we should at least be losing like we did against Everton in the cup.

Watching us was making me so anxious, so angry. Not going for the jugular when winning; retreating into defence; surrendering any kind of initiative or control; invariably conceding a late equaliser of winner for the opposition.

Add the COVID situation to the mix and it became really toxic. Normally, I can shake off a wretched performance and dropped points by throwing myself into all the other things I do to occupy my thoughts and time. But with life so limited as it is now by COVID restrictions, it became impossible to shake off each loss and cowardly performance. There are no other welcome distractions so the feelings linger for days. I have long battled with depression anyway and I decided that, on top of everything else, I really didn't need the foul moods that watching Spurs was putting me in.

I feel much better for it!
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Potter would be a good choice of a manager Pep ain’t wrong when he said he is the best English manager in premier and with that spurs team he could do what poch did.
 
JimB

you say you have some great youngsters ( i dont know as i only watch City ), you say spurs are know for attacking football which i think is fair to say.

But your owner bought in a manager with track record of not playing youth and for signing old players, a manager who is known for playing anti football, so your owners must like this approach.

You owner must have thought sod the academy kids, sod playing nice football, thats get a manager who years ago was a winner but is now a washed up has been. A manager who has a habit of throwing his player under the bus and when maureen leaves the club is normally in a mess.

Your squad was use to playing attacking football now this squad has to play defensive anti football, they might have ok with that when you were top, but now ? Me i would be looking to get away and play for a team that plays good football because thats the way i would want to play.

it was a very bizarre appointment

I have mates who are spurs fans and only a few months ago were getting all giddy that spurs might win some silverware even the premier league ( you might still win the League Cup ) but and heres the thing, i asked them if they would travel up to london and pay £100 plus to watch maureen spurs both said NO not paying to watch that boring football.
One said '' I am 70 and want to see spurs win something again before i died '' Even playing this anti football'' i said ''yes but i wont pay to watch it' lol. Some spurs fans were ready to 'sell 'out' when spurs were winning, forget all the good football you use to play etc 'sell out' to win silverware. I find that abit sad that they just want to win something regardless of how its won.
Now i get why their wont pay and travel up, but i was still doing a 600 mile round trip 6 to 8 times even under Stuart Pearce !!, or when we were in the 3rd division

you said ''Watching us was making me so anxious, so angry. Not going for the jugular when winning; retreating into defence; surrendering any kind of initiative or control; invariably conceding a late equaliser or winner for the opposition.'' Yet the government were desperate to bring football back to cheer up the nation !! Seems spurs and maureen havent read that bit ;)
 
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Don Karleone said:
Great goal by Alli
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He was probably pissed off this morning on BBC news when they showed his goal, then immediately said "but if you want to see a really great goal look no further than Southends 3rd against Forest Green last night from the bottom of the league"! (it was good).
 
forlorn hope said:
He was probably pissed off this morning on BBC news when they showed his goal, then immediately said "but if you want to see a really great goal look no further than Southends 3rd against Forest Green last night from the bottom of the league"! (it was good).
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Are ali and Bale starting to hit form now that Mourinho is starting to play them! If bale gets back to his best he is the one player who could win them the cup in April.
 
They are looking good up front let’s hope they don’t turn up in the cup final, I’d hate to lose to Maureen and them, it will bring 81 back to the fore you can just see the headlines 40 years!
 
Blue Maverick said:
They are looking good up front let’s hope they don’t turn up in the cup final, I’d hate to lose to Maureen and them, it will bring 81 back to the fore you can just see the headlines 40 years!
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They've just beaten Palace,Fulham & some Austrian waiters,worst team i've seen us play in the last 2 months,we turn up we win
 
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