Stadium Turnstile Upgrades

[jockblue]

So who is holding them? And are they complying with GDPR?
Not sure you can abrogate your responsibility by saying someone else holds the data

As LongsightM13 said, you can't entirely abrogate your responsibilities, but GDPR is primarily concerned with the data stored on your systems. If it's not stored on your systems, the company that does store it must demonstrate that they can meet these legal requirements.

If you don't want a picture taken and stored of your face, can you legally request that?

Presume so - understand there were a couple of people who objected to the system and have been allowed to clock in in a manual way. How this would work if City changed the terms and conditions of entry into the ground, I don't know.

Yes but what about if and when your company or City gets hacked (are M&S back online yet?) and all these images end up on some Russian rag's AI generated fake porn site?

Well clearly as a fan base, we're all beautiful enough for that, but its hard to explain all of the precautions behind such schemes to limit the chances of that happening. Of course, its impossible to limit it to zero. Then again, the chances of someone nicking your phone and getting in to watch City on your card is now reduced. Swings and roundabouts...

 

[stonerblue]

They’ve missed off the ‘yet’… from that sentence

No, you are adding it so you can have summat to moan about

 

[mexico1970]

The e-mail that clearly states, ''Facial recognition will not be used on matchdays.'' ?

If they are not using it on matchdays why are they mentioning it? All sounds a bit strange considering if they weren't going to scan supporters face they needn't have said anything.

 

[LongsightM13]

No, you are adding it so you can have summat to moan about

Let’s see this time next summer
You’ve literally got the documented evidence that the club has been planning this for years, in four separate articles shared here today
If you honestly think this is all about checking in a few Showsec and seasonal bar staff for their shifts then I have some magic beans you might be interested in

 

[bladdered]

Everyone needs to be wary of this.

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

This is why we don’t want facial recognition turnstiles, absolutely ludicrous levels the club are going to, couldn’t pinpoint the Liverpool pint pot throwing champion, or the 1000’s of tickets sold to away supporters this season

 

[jrb]

You can bet that consent to allow the club to use facial recognition will be one of the terms and conditions attached to purchasing a season ticket.

Yes, I did think of that.

Somehow the club will find a way around it.

They will have the best lawyers looking through the FR law and how it can be circumnavigated legally.

 

[TheGhost]

Let’s see this time next summer
You’ve literally got the documented evidence that the club has been planning this for years, in four separate articles shared here today
If you honestly think this is all about checking in a few Showsec and seasonal bar staff for their shifts then I have some magic beans you might be interested in

The magic beans actually grew a beanstalk.

I’m a Nigerian Prince if you send me your bank details…

 

[Corky]

The whole point is there isn't up to date legislation on facial recognition that is why companies were asked not to use it before legislation was brought in.

When it does have its own legislation it will govern how it is used an not ban it. It is fair enough to use it to enforce banning orders, as has been done for a couple of decades now but not by the club itself, but using it to make sure a family member isn't sharing a ticket seems massive overkill.

It goes far beyond Thatcher's ID cards, they are already sending out dud tickets on fishing expeditions so fans get refused at the turnstile.

 

[East Level 2]

If they are not using it on matchdays why are they mentioning it? All sounds a bit strange considering if they weren't going to scan supporters face they needn't have said anything.

Because fans will see the new turnstiles and might realise a face recognition system is in place. The club are setting our minds at ease.
Well obviously not, but you know what I mean.
Bottom line, though some of you refuse to accept it: The club can do what the hell they want with tickets for games at the Etihad, and tickets under their control for away and neutral venues. Season tickets have never been tickets for anybody to use, they have always been non-transferrable (other than under the fairly recent exchange system or to F&F); it's just that the club now has the capability to enforce it, and the money-grabbing mentality to want to enforce it. - Anyhow, in seven or eight months time they'll stop pissing off loyal supporters when they realise it's not easy to fill an additional 8,000 seats at current prices.

 

[johnnytapia]

I'm not saying it will happen, but if it does happen, it could be challenged in a court of law by 1 City fan or a group of City fans.

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[Kink Lad Cee]

I'm not sure if this is just new IT infrastructure waiting to be relocated somewhere in the stadium or if it's to do with the new turnstiles. Looks like new Cisco servers to me.
(this is just inside the north west spiral)

 

[jrb]

I'm not sure if this is just new IT infrastructure waiting to be relocated somewhere in the stadium or if it's to do with the new turnstiles. Looks like new Cisco servers to me.
(this is just inside the north west spiral)

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Disco servers you say?

Good spot.

 

[Ysabel 123]

They generally won’t be bothered about the vanishingly small number of people using a communal phone.

It’s just completely impractical for most people and they might “catch out” say 50 people over a year, the cost of the cameras on 1 turnstile will probably exceed any “savings” they’d make.

It’s completely normal for an adult to have multiple ST’s on their phone for kids.

Honestly don’t think they give a shit if you are taking your brother, daughter etc and scan them in, what they are clearly cracking down on is online ticket reselling groups on x or facebook. Up until this season you could have a spare account - transfer tickets to that on a game by game basis then forward the email on to a friend for free or sell it online. They want to resell those tickets themselves and if you are going to less than 10 games they want the ticket back.

Correct mate, I have taken my daughter on my Dad's OAP ticket loads of times and never been pulled. This is being introduced as a deterent!

How many times have we been told that we need have or name on our ticket, and show our passports at the turnstiles at Europen away games to get in? I'ts never been inforced it was a deterrent

 

[Ysabel 123]

I resent that as well. But I really do not understand why going to a football match needs me to have my photo taken and all this surveillance.
Plus I use a credit card so rarely they forget I exist!
Why is it so wrong of me to want to reduce the chances of protecting my privacy as much as possible?
That’s what I don’t understand.

Maybe I’ll join this Civil Liberties group mentioned in the post above ….. mmmmm no I won’t because I’ll have to give them too much information.

I don’t know why I attended all those data protection training sessions if everything is going on facial recognition now!!

Surveillance is needed at football because it put a stop to Football Hooliganism and made football better! Football was dying and hated before CCTV filmed them!

I enjoy football more now whilst being filmed

 

[Ysabel 123]

City have been plotting this for years but got cold feet after the Information Commissioner’s Office took an interest
Looks like they’re planning on reviving it, but sneaking it in first via the back door of ‘staff accreditation entry systems’. Once the cameras are there and ‘normalised’, it’s inevitable they’ll eventually push to extend it to fan entry

If you have know about City plotting this for years why have you never mentioned it? If you have know about this for years why not spill the beans when we won the treble or 4 in a row?

Football clubs have filmed fans going in the turnstiles since the 1980's! this is not a big deal and wont effect your life

 

[Ysabel 123]

This is why we don’t want facial recognition turnstiles, absolutely ludicrous levels the club are going to, couldn’t pinpoint the Liverpool pint pot throwing champion, or the 1000’s of tickets sold to away supporters this season
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I bet you use facial recognition to unlock your phone to access your season ticket!

If your that worried about it, don't go!

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

I bet you use facial recognition to unlock your phone to access your season ticket!

If you’re that worried about it, don't go!

You’re obviously a security guard working nights, I get you might be a little sensitive over these matters, don’t want to hear you squawking on ere if the club suspend your ST’s for allowing your daughter to use your dads.
The issue isn’t the tech, it’s how it will potentially be used, if you can’t foresee that, then the fall will be a hard one. If they suspend someone’s account for not sitting in the correct seat, you don’t need to be a genius to work out how draconian things will end up, and how sanitised it’s all becoming

 

[jrb]

I bet you use facial recognition to unlock your phone to access your season ticket!

If your that worried about it, don't go!

I don't.

I use the on and off button on my mobile.

I don't use my finger print either.

Why can't YOU understand that not all people like you want or are at ease with about their privacy and face being videoed and kept on a data base. (just to gain entry into a stadium)

No matter how hard you try and justify what City might be planning with these new turnstiles, you won't convince people it's OK and they shouldn't be bothered.

With all due respect, give it a rest.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Innevitable - it's all about having complete and utter control over your whereabouts, spending and behaviour.
Treated like the unworthy commodities they view us as. I take it all "friends and family" will have to download a photo" to their membership/citizen accounts to gain access soon.
Unfortunately they have the product and we will subserviently have to dance.
Aside from the actual match. The whole experience is contrived, transparently money orientated, controlling and tedious these days.
Bombarded with warnings you don't get unnecessarily insulted with elsewhere, legal tender refused, appallingly contrived "entertainment", shit prizes, overly officious stewarding...with the obligatory, "have hi vis, show lack of any common sense", syndrome.