Star Trek

[Bigga]

Q isn't a god, there are no gods in Star Trek only more advanced or evolved alien species that may look godlike to other species, many episodes especially in DS9 puts that premis across as do some in the OS. The Q contunum are not to be the only all powerfull entity in the universe, there were several in the OS (though retrospectively the squire of gothos is now classed as a member of the Q).

Also the federation is more a socialist/semi communist system where the invention of the replicators made a society without the needs for either the owners or workers in the means of production leading to the new world economy and an egelatarian state where advancement of society is the only goal, religion still exists on several federation planets, but it is seen a as a personal issue and not important on the whole, money also exists but seems to be also not overly important.



I agree with doctor who in the reboot has now been given this god like persona rather than the wandering traveller.

You're correct on your observations except about 'Dr Who', whom himself has revisited the same atrocities time and again, which makes him less a deity of any kind because he is powerless to involve himself to any degree because of said interventions. The dichotomy of being better than most species with the ability to go back and through any point in time although being weaker than most species for knowing he can't do anything! Well, morally speaking, that is.

But, as we know, this is not true. He changes pathways all the time, but not for his own species (until the writers decided to hide the Gallifrians' current existence from 'The Daleks'!).

And, let's be blunt, only to Human Beings is 'The Doctor' viewed as having deity-like qualities (species like 'The Eternals' are more powerful, but also not deities), because his technology far outweighs any Human invention. Humans may be in awe of him, but they don't see him as a deity.

This, indeed, runs 'Dr Who' parallel to 'Q' in this way, so they are not opposites.

 

[urban genie]

You're correct on your observations except about 'Dr Who', whom himself has revisited the same atrocities time and again, which makes him less a deity of any kind because he is powerless to involve himself to any degree because of said interventions. The dichotomy of being better than most species with the ability to go back and through any point in time although being weaker than most species for knowing he can't do anything! Well, morally speaking, that is.

But, as we know, this is not true. He changes pathways all the time, but not for his own species (until the writers decided to hide the Gallifrians' current existence from 'The Daleks'!).

And, let's be blunt, only to Human Beings is 'The Doctor' viewed as having deity-like qualities (species like 'The Eternals' are more powerful, but also not deities), because his technology far outweighs any Human invention. Humans may be in awe of him, but they don't see him as a deity.

This, indeed, runs 'Dr Who' parallel to 'Q' in this way, so they are not opposites.

You are right, the Doctor is viewed as a god like creature, but is just a more advanced alien, I was pointing out really that since the reboot they seem to push this all powerfull being that the universe fears or worships angle rather than the original series.

 

[Bigga]

You are right, the Doctor is viewed as a god like creature, but is just a more advanced alien, I was pointing out really that since the reboot they seem to push this all powerfull being that the universe fears or worships angle rather than the original series.

That's been a narrative that's been there since Christopher Eccleston took the role. There's a resentment within 'The Doctor' that he's helpless, that he has to abide by The Rules whilst he watches violence wipe out civilisations, the universe over.

I don't know if it's brilliantly done or if the writers don't know what to do with the character, but 'The Doctor' has self preservation at the top of his list whilst creating an act of war against warring species is his very next remit!! So he fears and doesn't fear, for himself, at the same time!!

It's an interesting problem for the writers.

 

[Bigga]

One last thing!

There's a 'smoke and mirrors' effect in 'Dr Who' that everyone 'fears The Doctor'. 'It's the TARDIS' that has the real power as it's alive being a source of energy which 'The Doctor' draws upon thus the ability to regenerate. Also, here, we have the fascinating correlation to religion's 'Holy Trinity' of 'The TARDIS','The Doctor' and the 'Sonic Screwdriver' (recently criminally under used!) all of which draw from the same energy source.

'The TARDIS'; the power. 'The Doctor; reborn. The 'Sonic Screwdriver'; well, I actually don't know what 'The Holy Spirit' does. Unlocks the unknown??

'Who' knows!!

Something that floated into my mind as I ambled to the shops, just now!

 

[urban genie]

Bar the Doctor having a crossover comic with TNG, he doesn't belong on this thread, he really, as one of the 3 biggest Sci-fy tv/movie genres probably deserves to have a thread of his own to make it fair.

If honest Sci-fi is probably my favourite genre and I could watch/read the likes of firefly, blake 7, twilight zone, battlestar galactica, V, buck rogers, man in high castle, the prisoner and many more all day along with SW, ST and Dr Who.

 

[deano ou812]

Q isn't a god, there are no gods in Star Trek only more advanced or evolved alien species that may look godlike to other species, many episodes especially in DS9 puts that premis across as do some in the OS. The Q contunum are not to be the only all powerfull entity in the universe, there were several in the OS (though retrospectively the squire of gothos is now classed as a member of the Q).

Also the federation is more a socialist/semi communist system where the invention of the replicators made a society without the needs for either the owners or workers in the means of production leading to the new world economy and an egelatarian state where advancement of society is the only goal, religion still exists on several federation planets, but it is seen a as a personal issue and not important on the whole, money also exists but seems to be also not overly important.



I agree with doctor who in the reboot has now been given this god like persona rather than the wandering traveller.

What about the episode with the Greek god apollo,at the end does he not go back and join the other Greek gods when Kirk and co reject him ..

 

[Damocles]

You have obviously thought this through!

Well I mean, I've seen the show yeah and can recognise emergent themes.

 

[urban genie]

What about the episode with the Greek god apollo,at the end does he not go back and join the other Greek gods when Kirk and co reject him ..

That was 'who mourns for adonis' yes apollo is the protaganist, but kirk and spock sumise he is an ancient alien that ancient greeks mistook along with the rest as gods.


A bit like the ancient aliens astrotheorist like good old giorgio tsoukalos waffle about

 

[deano ou812]

That was 'who mourns for adonis' yes apollo is the protaganist, but kirk and spock sumise he is an ancient alien that ancient greeks mistook along with the rest as gods.


A bit like the ancient aliens astrotheorist like good old giorgio tsoukalos waffle about

Good summary of that but it left you with if I remember Kirk saying something like maybe he was actually apollo and one of the Greek gods,not a powerful alien of some sort but like it was up to the viewers decide, not trying to knock you mate you seem to be very clued up on Star Trek..

 

[hilts]

I haven't read the thread because to be honest I'm a married man but shatner is a legend and the latest films have been good but everything in between is for blokes who have never felt the warm embrace of a women.

Trekkies are on a par with Zena princess warrior fans, those fantasy war games with dice thingies and wrestling fans.