Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

Blue Maverick said:
Nope bit oneminute she’s on Snoke ship with loads of stormtroopers and REN to stop her, next minute she’s on the millennium falcon. Lazy story telling.
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Your idea of a plot hole = that the film doesn't tell us how she escapes from Snoke's capital ship.
What I've pointed out to you = the film telling us how she escapes from Snoke's capital ship.

There are plot holes in it, but that's not one. He obviously lets her go. Much as Kenobi fails to finish Vader in ROTS, Vader lets Leia and Luke escape in both ANH and ESB and both Palpatine and Vader pass up multiple chances to kill Luke in ROTJ. Really don't see how this is a problem that exclusively exists in TLJ but not in any prior films, one of the Sith's main weak points if their arrogance.
 
Recent star wars moviers left me disappointed, and at that especially disappointed with modern hollywood culture which seems to value succesfull formula's over actual creativity. Were bombarded with so many movies nowadays that are the upteenth in a line of a movie franchise. And i wonder what remains left to talk in favour of star wars when people lay asside their mostly youthfull love for the franchise for a minute.

The newest star wars movies goes into terrains mostly explored before. It uses a buckload of elements and characters that people know from the old star wars if only to work on that nostalgia. I'm not even gonna make a summeisation of that, it would be lenghty and i'm sure people can see it for themselfs. Besides that it coasts on it's familiar formula, youre gonna get some high budget sci fi fights and battle's to the tune of i guess about 20% of the flick and those were always popular in the franchise.

Take away the idea that this is a movie in the star wars franchise, rather picture for a minute that the recent star wars movies would be stand alone sci fi movies. They would get utterly destroyed by reviews withought cover of the franchise name imho. Because the story, though unmistakingly taking place in the star wars universe, is so light and full of holes that at points its doesn't even seem to matter.
 
Was OK as an action movie but as a Star Wars universe film - rubbish!
To many new characters introduced - especially the code breaker. What was the point?
Luke meeting and training Rey - Did we actually learn anything important about either of them? No not really.
Who is Snoke - how did he get to be supreme leader? Feckin irrelevant now. What a let down!
Technology - Star Killer Base was bad enough but he Hyperspace Tracker is a Star Wars universe killer - The Rebel alliance is fecked whatever they do.
So disappointing considering how good Rouge One was.
I'm probably done with Star Wars.
 
Blue Maverick said:
How did Rey get off Snokes ship? Yet another plot hole.
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When they both fought over Lukes lightsaber with the force until it ripped apart and exploded, Kylo was left unconscious. When he awoke Hux told him Rey had left in Snoke's escape pod which, as they were in his throne room, would be nearby.

Apart from the casino scenes I liked the film a lot, sure there were a few bum parts - too many goofy moments imo, but that aside i loved it.

A door has to be opened somewhere so that the SW universe evolves because you can't just have good v evil the entire time and I think this film will pave the way for the following films.
I really can't see why people cry like babies so much. Why can't you just go with it and have a bit of escapism and fun? I'm 45, still a SW fan and pretty much enjoyed each and every film on the whole.

I'm sure there'll be some fan edit that comes out some time that removes the major gripes too.
 
I’m a young 48 ;) and the problem is I grew up reading the EU there were so many stories etc good ones that the stuff they put out pales into comparison. If I’d not read that stuff and how the characters developed maybe I wouldn’t have been as attached to them, I just think they missed the boat, the force has never really been used to it’s full effect battle wise and I think that’s what people like me wanted, shit been ripped up etc, that’s why the Vader scene in R1 was what everyone had been waiting for all those years, vader been badass.
 
What annoys me is that the last 2 movies basically take place over a very small period of time. Rey's abilities are way too powerful for somebody with only a few days training.

There is a 3 year gap between a new hope and empire. Yet Luke still struggles to do the basic stuff "lifting rocks" Rey did so easily after only a few days.

The filmmakers have changed how the force works. It no longer required training. The force seems to choose you. It sort of contradicts there message that anybody can be a hero
 
Thorin Oakenshield said:
What annoys me is that the last 2 movies basically take place over a very small period of time. Rey's abilities are way too powerful for somebody with only a few days training.
Yet Luke still struggles to do the basic stuff "lifting rocks" Rey did so easily after only a few days.

The filmmakers have changed how the force works. It no longer required training. The force seems to choose you. It sort of contradicts there message that anybody can be a hero
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Agree with what you say.
In essence, Rey has become the ultimate 'Mary Sue'.

Part of the problem is that if you start to point it out loads of people start to lose their collective shit about it for some reason.
 
Thorin Oakenshield said:
Rey's abilities are way too powerful for somebody with only a few days training.
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This is the dumbest shit in this whole thread. Luke Skywalker took on the strongest Force user in the history of the Universe with "a few days training".

Ghandi's Flip Flops said:
Part of the problem is that if you start to point it out loads of people start to lose their collective shit about it for some reason.
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It's because it's wrong and the only reason people call her that is because she's female.
 
Damocles said:
This is the dumbest shit in this whole thread. Luke Skywalker took on the strongest Force user in the history of the Universe with "a few days training".

It's because it's wrong and the only reason people call her that is because she's female.
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Err okay.
So please explain how Rey defeated Kylo without previously handling a light saber?
 
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