Stevan Jovetic (part 3)

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GX Blue said:
MCFC BOB said:
I agree with GX Blue. If Garcia, Kolarov and Dzeko all start the same game we're never the same team.

BINGO! Whisper that though as if you dont say the whole team is fantastic you're not a true fan.
May I also agree with gx and bob
Kolarov..dzeko and garcia are fucking average at best..if people think these 3 are gonna get us to where we want to be then they need to wake up..distinctly average.i am happy with the signings but still feel we aren't dining at the top top table when it comes to purchases..sorry for being negative but jovetic..negredo are not better than tevez and mario imo...hope to be proven wrong.
 
larderland said:
well the video of him arriving for a medical and saying goodbye to friends after a meal kinda gives away the whole hes coming to us thing


where/when is a video of Jovetic arriving for a medical?
 
I don't like the whole viewing of the second team as separate from the first team. We all know its gonna be mixed around. So, with that in mind, i did a bit of maths (cuz i do maths in college) and i found something out.

Lets say we only look at players who we'd be happy to play, (I know you wont all agree with me but this is who I'd be happy to see on the 1st 11) and we look at a 4-3-3.
Then our squad looks something like:

.....................Hart/Pantilimon
Zabba/Micah...Kompany...Lescott/Nastasic... Clichy
............Yaya/Fern/Barry/Rodwell/Milner
Nasri/Navas...Aguero/Dzeko/Negredo...Silva/Jovetic

Which, using those players, means a possible of 5,760 different starting elevens that I'd be happy with! 11,520 if we got cover for Kompany, 23,040 if we got cover for Clichy, and this is not taking into account that some players (Nasri,Silva,Micah etc) can play more then one position!

I don't know about you guys but this makes me pretty excited about the depth of quality in our squad!
 
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
GX Blue said:
MCFC BOB said:
I agree with GX Blue. If Garcia, Kolarov and Dzeko all start the same game we're never the same team.

BINGO! Whisper that though as if you dont say the whole team is fantastic you're not a true fan.
May I also agree with gx and bob
Kolarov..dzeko and garcia are fucking average at best..if people think these 3 are gonna get us to where we want to be then they need to wake up..distinctly average.i am happy with the signings but still feel we aren't dining at the top top table when it comes to purchases..sorry for being negative but jovetic..negredo are not better than tevez and mario imo...hope to be proven wrong.
Yet when we play Hull Palace etc at home these three could win us the game and we give iur first choice players a good rest in a 60+ game season.<br /><br />-- Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:28 am --<br /><br />
BringBackSwales said:
larderland said:
well the video of him arriving for a medical and saying goodbye to friends after a meal kinda gives away the whole hes coming to us thing


where/when is a video of Jovetic arriving for a medical?
He had his medical in Florence, didn't he?
 
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
GX Blue said:
MCFC BOB said:
I agree with GX Blue. If Garcia, Kolarov and Dzeko all start the same game we're never the same team.

BINGO! Whisper that though as if you dont say the whole team is fantastic you're not a true fan.
May I also agree with gx and bob
Kolarov..dzeko and garcia are fucking average at best..if people think these 3 are gonna get us to where we want to be then they need to wake up..distinctly average.i am happy with the signings but still feel we aren't dining at the top top table when it comes to purchases..sorry for being negative but jovetic..negredo are not better than tevez and mario imo...hope to be proven wrong.

Kolarov, Garcia and (to a slightly lesser extent) Dzeko have been average since they joined City - I'll agree with that - but all have been good at previous Clubs, therefore its possible that Pellegrini thinks he can get something out of them. I like a Manager who feels he can actually improve players at his disposal rather than always taking the easy option and trying to buy a replacement.

Re: our (likely) current strikeforce vs our old, that's very much an 'on paper' comparison, and anyone knows games aren't won on paper. It rarely works having four top class strikers vying for two (or, more often than not, one) position in the team. If you look at the actual composition of most of the groups of strikers at the top clubs, they aren't four stellar names - they are a team of strikers who have different roles, and compliment each other.

Look at Bayern, who swept all aside last season. They had Mandzukic, Gomez and a 34 year old Claudio Pizarro as their strikeforce. Would you genuinely have been excited about buying any of those?

Even the Rags had two star names in van Persie and Rooney, and two much lesser strikers in Wellbeck and Hernandez. Barca had Messi, Villa (who was out for most of the season) and Pedro. Juventus had a right gaggle of oddities, including Anelka, Bendtner, Giovinco and Quagliarella, headed up by their only genuinely first class striker in Vucinic.

In reality, having four big names - and big egos - doesn't work, and it didn't work for us last season, as neither Dzeko or Balotelli performed to their abilities because they were both pissed off with their roles in the team. We essentially managed two star strikers in Aguero and Tevez, and pissed the other two off - with negative repercussions on the whole team.

I see what we are doing here as building a properly functioning team, rather than a load of names which look good on paper. Aguero, Dzeko and Negredo as our out and out strikers, with Jovetic, Nasri and Silva as our supports, looks far better balanced than what we had last year.
 
Optimus Prime said:
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
GX Blue said:
BINGO! Whisper that though as if you dont say the whole team is fantastic you're not a true fan.
May I also agree with gx and bob
Kolarov..dzeko and garcia are fucking average at best..if people think these 3 are gonna get us to where we want to be then they need to wake up..distinctly average.i am happy with the signings but still feel we aren't dining at the top top table when it comes to purchases..sorry for being negative but jovetic..negredo are not better than tevez and mario imo...hope to be proven wrong.

Kolarov, Garcia and (to a slightly lesser extent) Dzeko have been average since they joined City - I'll agree with that - but all have been good at previous Clubs, therefore its possible that Pellegrini thinks he can get something out of them. I like a Manager who feels he can actually improve players at his disposal rather than always taking the easy option and trying to buy a replacement.

Re: our (likely) current strikeforce vs our old, that's very much an 'on paper' comparison, and anyone knows games aren't won on paper. It rarely works having four top class strikers vying for two (or, more often than not, one) position in the team. If you look at the actual composition of most of the groups of strikers at the top clubs, they aren't four stellar names - they are a team of strikers who have different roles, and compliment each other.

Look at Bayern, who swept all aside last season. They had Mandzukic, Gomez and a 34 year old Claudio Pizarro as their strikeforce. Would you genuinely have been excited about buying any of those?

Even the Rags had two star names in van Persie and Rooney, and two much lesser strikers in Wellbeck and Hernandez. Barca had Messi, Villa and Pedro. Juventus had a right gaggle of oddities, including Anelka, Bendtner, Giovinco and Quagliarella, headed up by their only genuinely first class striker in Vucinic.

In reality, having four big names - and big egos - doesn't work, and it didn't work for us last season, as neither Dzeko or Balotelli performed to their abilities because they were both pissed off with their roles in the team. We essentially managed two star strikers in Aguero and Tevez, and pissed the other two off - with negative repercussions on the whole team.

I see what we are doing here as building a properly functioning team, rather than a load of names which look good on paper. Aguero, Dzeko and Negredo as our out and out strikers, with Jovetic, Nasri and Silva as our supports, looks far better balanced than what we had last year.

Too much wisdom in that post for people who build a team from stats as if it were fifa, rather then taking the players mental state into consideration. Just as important, if not more so
 
Optimus Prime said:
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
GX Blue said:
BINGO! Whisper that though as if you dont say the whole team is fantastic you're not a true fan.
May I also agree with gx and bob
Kolarov..dzeko and garcia are fucking average at best..if people think these 3 are gonna get us to where we want to be then they need to wake up..distinctly average.i am happy with the signings but still feel we aren't dining at the top top table when it comes to purchases..sorry for being negative but jovetic..negredo are not better than tevez and mario imo...hope to be proven wrong.

Kolarov, Garcia and (to a slightly lesser extent) Dzeko have been average since they joined City - I'll agree with that - but all have been good at previous Clubs, therefore its possible that Pellegrini thinks he can get something out of them. I like a Manager who feels he can actually improve players at his disposal rather than always taking the easy option and trying to buy a replacement.

Re: our (likely) current strikeforce vs our old, that's very much an 'on paper' comparison, and anyone knows games aren't won on paper. It rarely works having four top class strikers vying for two (or, more often than not, one) position in the team. If you look at the actual composition of most of the groups of strikers at the top clubs, they aren't four stellar names - they are a team of strikers who have different roles, and compliment each other.

Look at Bayern, who swept all aside last season. They had Mandzukic, Gomez and a 34 year old Claudio Pizarro as their strikeforce. Would you genuinely have been excited about buying any of those?

Even the Rags had two star names in van Persie and Rooney, and two much lesser strikers in Wellbeck and Hernandez. Barca had Messi, Villa (who was out for most of the season) and Pedro. Juventus had a right gaggle of oddities, including Anelka, Bendtner, Giovinco and Quagliarella, headed up by their only genuinely first class striker in Vucinic.

In reality, having four big names - and big egos - doesn't work, and it didn't work for us last season, as neither Dzeko or Balotelli performed to their abilities because they were both pissed off with their roles in the team. We essentially managed two star strikers in Aguero and Tevez, and pissed the other two off - with negative repercussions on the whole team.

I see what we are doing here as building a properly functioning team, rather than a load of names which look good on paper. Aguero, Dzeko and Negredo as our out and out strikers, with Jovetic, Nasri and Silva as our supports, looks far better balanced than what we had last year.

Out of Aguero, Tevez, Dzeko, Balotelli, the only two who had any kind of even slight understanding of playing together, was Aguero/Tevez. Any other pairing was just two blokes playing as individuals, no partnership whatsoever.

It was a dreadfully poor selection of players, mainly because of the choice of Balotelli, who is a total loner & Mancini's seeming lack of interest in doing anything about it when it became apparent. If Balotelli had been Negredo or Jovetic, there is a fair chance we would have had two or even Three more partnerships (I recon Negredo can even play With Dzeko) & in the case of Jovetic, the ability to play three together. We tried Balotelli as a bogus left sided player, but he only performed in the cup final.

All of Pellegrini's signings are genuine, intelligent, 'manager at work' signings, which have all the attributes needed to play together & vastly improve the team. Even if he proved to be inadequate as a manager, his choices would leave the next manager with fantastic options.

If we get Jovetic, this could be our best transfer window so far.
 
Pete O'Rourke ‏@SkySportsPeteO 6m
Manchester City closing in on signature of Stevan Jovetic with Fiorentina officials thought to be in England for talks with City. #MCFC

Yellow bar, yet ?
 
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