Sturgeon wants another referendum

If they did vot to be independent, we would already be out of the EU by the, what mechanism would they use to get back in

I was all for Scotland going independent lats time, the timing now seems wrong and opportunistic
 
Salmond and Sturgeon relied heavily on the potential of the oil revenue when putting the case for the last referendum, and suprisingly (not) the arse fell out of the market; thus proving the SNP's total ineptitude in financial management. To rely so heavily on a historically volatile commodity was a poor strategy, but to think they could get away with hoodwinking people into believing them was stunningly stupid. Plus, their economy is so tied up in the outdated Barnett formula, that if they ever do leave the UK, they can kiss goodbye to their free universities and free prescriptions.

I understand that Scotland was treated disgracefully by the English historically, but that was over 700 years ago; get over yourselves - Braveheart was a work of fiction.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Its not as simple as either side of the border, as I think I am right in saying that London and Manchester? voted to stay in Europe - maybe they should claim independence too. I look forward to hearing how the SNP will spin the £15bn deficit.
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They did, by much smaller margins than Scotland. Take away the Scottish vote from every single general election in the past 30 odd years and the outcome remains the same. The Scottish vote is of no consequence to the result, an irrelevance, if you like. Utter madness.

If the debt comes our way, we as Scottish citizens can vote on a party to manage that. In the event of a yes vote, the SNP can not exist in their current form, given that their number one priority is Independence. I will have the chance to vote for a party suitable to run Scotland and manage it properly, including its debt.
 
The anti english party will be finished if they lose another referendum although i fully expect the uk govt to rightly refuse.
How can anyone vote yes against a backdrop of worse finamcial conditions,huge start up costs and no guarentee of eu entry?
We had a vote in 2014 and they should respect that.
 
It would be a monumentally stupid decision if the jocks voted to leave.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Its not as simple as either side of the border, as I think I am right in saying that London and Manchester? voted to stay in Europe - maybe they should claim independence too. I look forward to hearing how the SNP will spin the £15bn deficit.
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The same way the UK spins it's deficit
"The difference between spending (including capital expenditure) and revenue is estimated to be £67.6 billion.
The increase in UK “net debt” is estimated to be £47.8 billion."
When I say I've changed from no to yes it's with the caveat of assurances from the EU of staying in. In that case there would be the prospect of a benefit of attracting UK businesses heavily dependent on eu trade over the border.
 
Would a yes vote mean the end of the Barnet formula or would an independent Scotland still want my money to prop them up?
 
Cubbage74 said:
What different agendas? I think there's only ever been one media agenda. Do whatever it takes to stop Scottish independence.
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Yeah sure, you're right the mainstream media is firmly in the better together camp, but it doesn't mean i trust the information put out by the independence side either, or whatever EU politicians happen to be saying right now.
 
blueparrot said:
The same way the UK spins it's deficit
"The difference between spending (including capital expenditure) and revenue is estimated to be £67.6 billion.
The increase in UK “net debt” is estimated to be £47.8 billion."
When I say I've changed from no to yes it's with the caveat of assurances from the EU of staying in. In that case there would be the prospect of a benefit of attracting UK businesses heavily dependent on eu trade over the border.
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But the Scottish deficit is way worse than the UK as a whole. We spend £1600 per head more than we bring in through tax revenue. Only way of fixing that is revenue growth at rates not previously known to man or by taxing to fill the gap. And the economic question is a starter for ten before we even starting to talk about currency. I'm afraid that if we were daft enough to vote independence the M74 and A1 would be jammed by the wealth creators trying to get over the border as quickly as possible.
 
Should just boot them out. Be better than having to put up with them threatening to leave every other year. If they wanna end up being the next Greece then let them.
 
Theresa May is a curious mixture of aggression and dithering. She's so out her depth that it gives me a real sense of hope of winning.

It would be solid gold if she blocked it. She's so dim she might just fall into the trap.
 
The talk of it being an independence referendum is silly.

It is a vote to be part of the UK or the approaching EU nation.

If Scotland feel there is an appetite for a referendum then I see no reason why they should not have a vote and put the issue to bed once and for all.

However dont come all this independence bollocks, its nothing of the sort that they will be voting for.....
 
Kazzydeyna said:
Would a yes vote mean the end of the Barnet formula or would an independent Scotland still want my money to prop them up?
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£53bn
Tax revenue generated by Scotland
9.1% of UK tax revenue came from Scotland
8.3% of the UK population live in Scotland
£10,000 tax per head in Scotland
£9,200 tax per head, rest of UK
Source: Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS)

Aye, a see what you mean...LOL!
 
purplenose said:
The talk of it being an independence referendum is silly.

It is a vote to be part of the UK or the approaching EU nation.

If Scotland feel there is an appetite for a referendum then I see no reason why they should not have a vote and put the issue to bed once and for all.

However dont come all this independence bollocks, its nothing of the sort that they will be voting for.....
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I thought the issue was put to bed already when we got a 'No' vote.

It's just pure desperation from Sturgeon in the hopes of forcing it through before the Brexit so she can claim that Scotland are still in Europe.
 
blueparrot said:
The same way the UK spins it's deficit
"The difference between spending (including capital expenditure) and revenue is estimated to be £67.6 billion.
The increase in UK “net debt” is estimated to be £47.8 billion."
When I say I've changed from no to yes it's with the caveat of assurances from the EU of staying in. In that case there would be the prospect of a benefit of attracting UK businesses heavily dependent on eu trade over the border.
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So how will you actually vote? She appears to want the referendum before Brexit negotiations are concluded. If you vote 'yes' and the uk secures a deal on eu trade (or ends up staying in), will there need to be another referendum? Don't disagree with Scotland having another referendum but surely it would be better post Brexit negotiations, when you all know what you're voting to leave.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
£53bn
Tax revenue generated by Scotland
9.1% of UK tax revenue came from Scotland
8.3% of the UK population live in Scotland
£10,000 tax per head in Scotland
£9,200 tax per head, rest of UK
Source: Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS)

Aye, a see what you mean...LOL!
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Think you are using pre oil crash numbers:
The government expenditure and revenue Scotland (Gers) figures show that in 2015-16, Scottish tax receipts were £400 less than the UK average, at £10,000, after several decades during which oil had pushed them above the UK level.
 
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