Sturgeon wants another referendum

Magicpole said:
Did you miss the link that showed we paid more tax per head than any part of the uk for 30 out of 32 years?

The notion we leach is a myth. Plus we would need to borrow no more than any other region us currently borrowing. People tend to overlook that the uk borrows plenty as a whole right now. Post Brexit with the further fall of the £, loss of access to our EU market, the time needed to get deals when we are desperate isn't a good negotiating position.

Oil is low right now but we have 45b barrels of it at least left with west cost fields very possible.

Also we were awarded Triple A status before the last ref and that didn't include oil.

Oil will return to a higher price. The doom merchants try to suggest that this low price will be a constant and that is just wrong.
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Just answer the questions magic!!
 
cibaman said:
A 70 year old in 2014 would have been 20 in 1964. Part of the generation that invented sex, drugs and rock & roll. Legalised abortion and homosexuality. Protested about the Vietnam war, nuclear weapons and apartheid. They were a much more revolutionary, experimental and radical generation than the current twentysomethings. But by 2014 they were older, risk averse and more conservative.

When the next referendum takes place there will be fewer of them around. But guess what? The 2014 fiftysomethings will be a few years older, nearer pension age, more concerned about whether they will be able have a hip operation rather than a brave new world. Less inclined to take a risk on Yes than they were in 2014.
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Every age group apart from them voted a maj Yes.

They are the past. We do t want to live there anymore.
 
Magicpole said:
Every age group apart from them voted a maj Yes.

They are the past. We do t want to live there anymore.
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You're always going to have 65+ year olds and they'll always be more likely to vote no than the rest of the population.
 
Whatever happens Scotland has the right to have as many referendums as they see fit. If they choose to stay again then it will destroy Sturgeon. As we have seen a referendum is a massive risk politically because it leads to resignations and even changes of government.

If they choose to leave however then clearly we got the Scots wrong and they are within their right to do whatever they want. Personally I think the sentiment has changed and they will vote to leave given another chance. It was close last time but I think Brexit will push them over the hill.
 
jonmcity said:
Its time for the UK to break up. I would also take the opportunity to get rid of the royal family. The North Should also break away from the south, as the government don't care what happens North of Watford. We would be better on our own.
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As an ex-Manc living in the South East, I'll buy that.

Sick of subsidising royal layabouts and northern monkeys out of my taxes.

Yeah, fack orf you melts.
 
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Have the EU commented on whether they would accept and fast track Scotland in? There was someone from the SNP of Question Time last night and she said Spain would 'not oppose', but that is hardly a ringing endorsement
 
Blue Hefner said:
Have the EU commented on whether they would accept and fast track Scotland in? There was someone from the SNP of Question Time last night and she said Spain would 'not oppose', but that is hardly a ringing endorsement
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Well it's better than saying the are building an armada to invade us.

Report on BBC all day programme the other day saying overwhelming maj would

"Welcome Scotland"
 
inbetween said:
Whatever happens Scotland has the right to have as many referendums as they see fit. If they choose to stay again then it will destroy Sturgeon. As we have seen a referendum is a massive risk politically because it leads to resignations and even changes of government.

If they choose to leave however then clearly we got the Scots wrong and they are within their right to do whatever they want. Personally I think the sentiment has changed and they will vote to leave given another chance. It was close last time but I think Brexit will push them over the hill.
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Hopefully
 
Magicpole said:
Well it's better than saying the are building an armada to invade us.

Report on BBC all day programme the other day saying overwhelming maj would

"Welcome Scotland"
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Last year they said they would also 'Welcome Turkey' but it would still them X amount of years to meet all the criteria. It is one thing welcoming, fast-tracking is another thing all together

The women on QT was very evasive when asked about the potential currency and Independent Scotland would use. Is there a plan for this?
 
Blue Hefner said:
Last year they said they would also 'Welcome Turkey' but it would still them X amount of years to meet all the criteria. It is one thing welcoming, fast-tracking is another thing all together

The women on QT was very evasive when asked about the potential currency and Independent Scotland would use. Is there a plan for this?
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The economic argument fir both using and supporting the. £ us overwhelming. It has devalued by 20% ahead if actual Brexit. When we do it will fall again. If we leave it will collapse. That will compound the real economic pressures we will face.

The only reason would be driven by spite and a deliberate action in the hope that it fucks us up.

Is that what people are after?

Also you may not be aware but the £ is an internationally traded currency which any country could use.

Would you want the £ to collapse to try and fuck us up knowing it will fuck up you too?

If the UK goes down that path they will be caught in the blast.
 
Magicpole said:
The economic argument fir both using and supporting the. £ us overwhelming. It has devalued by 20% ahead if actual Brexit. When we do it will fall again. If we leave it will collapse. That will compound the real economic pressures we will face.

The only reason would be driven by spite and a deliberate action in the hope that it fucks us up.

Is that what people are after?

Also you may not be aware but the £ is an internationally traded currency which any country could use.

Would you want the £ to collapse to try and fuck us up knowing it will fuck up you too?

If the UK goes down that path they will be caught in the blast.
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Inconceivable that Scotland will continue to use the pound. You will be a separate country so will need a seperate currency, how about the Euro since you love the EU so much up there?
 
Magicpole said:
The economic argument fir both using and supporting the. £ us overwhelming. It has devalued by 20% ahead if actual Brexit. When we do it will fall again. If we leave it will collapse. That will compound the real economic pressures we will face.

The only reason would be driven by spite and a deliberate action in the hope that it fucks us up.

Is that what people are after?

Also you may not be aware but the £ is an internationally traded currency which any country could use.

Would you want the £ to collapse to try and fuck us up knowing it will fuck up you too?

If the UK goes down that path they will be caught in the blast.
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Does it not seem strange leaving a union but keeping the currency? How would that fly with the voters
 
Blue Hefner said:
Does it not seem strange leaving a union but keeping the currency? How would that fly with the voters
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Why would they bother. It's the least damaging outcome. If us leaving the union didn't impact the rest of you but kicked us in the balls is spite.

If, as it will collapse the £ then in both out vested interest it makes sense to share it and our GDP is added to underpin it's strength.

I hope and am sure once the battle fir hearts and minds us over we will need to sit down and say what's the route if least resistance and damaging.

Fighting over the £ would be a huge mistake.,it will be used as a threat obviously, but, when the dust settled pragmatism is required. The rest if the uk faces Brexit, an additional currency collapse is not the way to steady what many see as an already holed hull.
 
Magicpole said:
Why would they bother. It's the least damaging outcome. If us leaving the union didn't impact the rest of you but kicked us in the balls is spite.

If, as it will collapse the £ then in both out vested interest it makes sense to share it and our GDP is added to underpin it's strength.

I hope and am sure once the battle fir hearts and minds us over we will need to sit down and say what's the route if least resistance and damaging.

Fighting over the £ would be a huge mistake.,it will be used as a threat obviously, but, when the dust settled pragmatism is required. The rest if the uk faces Brexit, an additional currency collapse is not the way to steady what many see as an already holed hull.
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So under that scenario what organisation will serve as the central bank?
 
Magicpole said:
Why would they bother. It's the least damaging outcome. If us leaving the union didn't impact the rest of you but kicked us in the balls is spite.

If, as it will collapse the £ then in both out vested interest it makes sense to share it and our GDP is added to underpin it's strength.

I hope and am sure once the battle fir hearts and minds us over we will need to sit down and say what's the route if least resistance and damaging.

Fighting over the £ would be a huge mistake.,it will be used as a threat obviously, but, when the dust settled pragmatism is required. The rest if the uk faces Brexit, an additional currency collapse is not the way to steady what many see as an already holed hull.
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I might be oversimplifying this, but, I cannot imagine France for example leaving the EU and still being tied to the Euro. I can't see either party wanting that

In the case of the pound, surely Scotland would want a clean break and the English establishment would not be keen on it either, as a face saving exercise if nothing else
 
Blue Hefner said:
I might be oversimplifying this, but, I cannot imagine France for example leaving the EU and still being tied to the Euro. I can't see either party wanting that

In the case of the pound, surely Scotland would want a clean break and the English establishment would not be keen on it either, as a face saving exercise if nothing else
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We want what's the best of a range of outcomes. Fir the reasons I gave above I think it's fiscally prudent to not undermine the £ needlessly to all our cost.

If we are underpinning the £ then it will weather the shit storm better. Not that there won't be one. The £has list 20% and we haven't undertook the break with the EU yet. Do you think when hard Brexit happens the £ will fall further. Add in us taking our resources out of supporting it would end in free fall.

Damage limitation.
 
Magicpole said:
We want what's the best of a range of outcomes. Fir the reasons I gave above I think it's fiscally prudent to not undermine the £ needlessly to all our cost.

If we are underpinning the £ then it will weather the shit storm better. Not that there won't be one. The £has list 20% and we haven't undertook the break with the EU yet. Do you think when hard Brexit happens the £ will fall further. Add in us taking our resources out of supporting it would end in free fall.

Damage limitation.
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Scotland underpinning the pound? Fucking lol. Deluded. The rest of the UK will be better off without having to subsidise Scotland and cutting you loose will help the pound. What you do for a currency will be your problem.
 
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