Sunderland need a draw to help us win PL

[dom]

GDM, I'm certainly not being disingenuous and don't think I'm being naive either (tho am feeling a tad patronised right now). If anything I would suggest that it is naive to think that teams who base their game on physicality would change that approach out if deference to another manager.

I would be happy to take you at your word about you not being disingenuous, but your subsequent comment has rendered that statement redundant in any event, as it seems to me that you are naive.

You clearly underestimate, or fail to appreciate, just how much influence a manager can have on the performance of his team not just by what he does, but also by what he doesn't do. Instead of telling Rodwell to do a 'job' on Rooney or Nani for ninety minutes, he could tell him to go out and 'express himself'. He can also set the collective tone of the team quite easily without falling into anything that looks overtly like cheating. All mangers choose their battles. It is not possible to motivate your players to the same extent in every game. To suggest otherwise is, dare I say, naive. The fact is that Moyes, at least to me, appears to reserve his blood and thunder games, where his players go all out to win and where they are fired up accordingly, for games against City and Liverpool, but not united.

Perhaps when he has a touchline argument with Ferguson or he looks like he's won the cup if his team ever gets round to beating united then I may feel different about this, but I'm not holding my breath.

This , even before factoring in the Ref..

 

[Dirty Harry]

GDM, I'm certainly not being disingenuous and don't think I'm being naive either (tho am feeling a tad patronised right now). If anything I would suggest that it is naive to think that teams who base their game on physicality would change that approach out if deference to another manager.

I would be happy to take you at your word about you not being disingenuous, but your subsequent comment has rendered that statement redundant in any event, as it seems to me that you are naive.

You clearly underestimate, or fail to appreciate, just how much influence a manager can have on the performance of his team not just by what he does, but also by what he doesn't do. Instead of telling Rodwell to do a 'job' on Rooney or Nani for ninety minutes, he could tell him to go out and 'express himself'. He can also set the collective tone of the team quite easily without falling into anything that looks overtly like cheating. All mangers choose their battles. It is not possible to motivate your players to the same extent in every game. To suggest otherwise is, dare I say, naive. The fact is that Moyes, at least to me, appears to reserve his blood and thunder games, where his players go all out to win and where they are fired up accordingly, for games against City and Liverpool, but not united.

Perhaps when he has a touchline argument with Ferguson or he looks like he's won the cup if his team ever gets round to beating united then I may feel different about this, but I'm not holding my breath.

I would also add to that the fact that Bacon was an ever present and huge influencial figure during these players critical periods of adolescence, this is a very important point for me, it is something that is not forgotten overnight, there will always be an enormous level of loyalty to such a person no matter what, having coached youngsters myself it's something I've experienced firsthand even on a most basic level, it's a point nobody should underestimate, even if it puts a doubt for a single moment in a players mind then it becomes an issue.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Dya remember the last game of the season at CoMS v EFC. Rooney playing for the BlueDippers? Don't think he broke sweat all afternoon.

Any team still in with a chance of relegation or CL place are the only teams who will make a match for MANUre. The rest will do what most have done this season - remembered the performance last season, and the season before and hand over the towel to the ref so's he can throw it in!

Sunderland and MON? Archetypal surrender monkeys.

 

[Balo's Backheel]

Jesus, the way some of us go an about agendas is embarrassing. The fact that some of you call others for being naive is rich too. Stop being paranoid and have some faith.

 

[JM Mcr]

The fact is that Moyes, at least to me, appears to reserve his blood and thunder games, where his players go all out to win and where they are fired up accordingly, for games against City and Liverpool, but not united.

Perhaps when he has a touchline argument with Ferguson or he looks like he's won the cup if his team ever gets round to beating united then I may feel different about this, but I'm not holding my breath.

Well no blood n thunder from Everton there then......Incidentally, I seem to recall quite a celebration from Moyes when we drew 3 each in 2010. Understandable I guess when you come back from 2 goals down going into injury time....

So that's at least twice in the last couple of years that Everton haven't rolled over for Utd...I remember being told by blue mates that Steve Kean's team would roll over at Old Trafford after the mutual admiration society played out between him n Fergie in the lead up to the Blackburn match....Newcastle away was another easy 3 points as they always roll over to have their belly tickled by Utd, Dave Whelan(Rag) will never allow Wigan to upset the Utd applecart etc etc...

Perhaps I am a touch naive in my belief that the Premier League is inherently corruption free but I would say my naivety is matched by the paranoia displayed by many blues.

 

[JM Mcr]

GDM, I'm certainly not being disingenuous and don't think I'm being naive either (tho am feeling a tad patronised right now). If anything I would suggest that it is naive to think that teams who base their game on physicality would change that approach out if deference to another manager.

I would also add to that the fact that Bacon was an ever present and huge influencial figure during these players critical periods of adolescence, this is a very important point for me, it is something that is not forgotten overnight, there will always be an enormous level of loyalty to such a person no matter what, having coached youngsters myself it's something I've experienced firsthand even on a most basic level, it's a point nobody should underestimate, even if it puts a doubt for a single moment in a players mind then it becomes an issue.

Like Phil Neville and Darron Gibson (and Tim Howard to a lesser extent) yesterday....