Syria (merged)

[Goaters]

It seems the military operation will commence later this week without a UN mandate. However the loosely relevant R2P (Responsibility to Protect) law is the one the US and our government seem to be basing the argument for interfering.

"The international community, through the United Nations, also has the responsibility to use appropriate diplomatic, humanitarian and other peaceful means, in accordance with chapters VI and VIII of the charter, to help protect populations from genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity. In this context, we are prepared to take collective action, in a timely and decisive manner, through the security council, in accordance with the charter … on a case-by-case basis..."

Now in this instance I am fairly sure the Assad regime were behind the chemical attack, and specific missiles could well prevent further catastrophes. But I believe currently there are 22 Wars taking place around the World, surely the R2P law would be relevant for a hell of a lot more genocides than the one in Syria?

 

[BlueHammer85]

So we should sit back and just watch Woman and Children get gassed ?

 

[Jumanji]

So we should sit back and just watch Woman and Children get gassed ?

Lol what about innocent men?

They're fucking Homo sapiens as well!

 

[johnny on the spot]

All the rhetoric points to war. Fuck this shit. Again.

 

[fredmont]

Markets fall, oil prices rise.......... here we go again, we all suffer and the poorest more than others.Anyone would think governments preferred it this way.

 

[DavidSilvasLeftFoot]

So we should sit back and just watch Woman and Children get gassed ?

The Rebels have been killing civilians also. Who are we to decide that the rebels are the good guys? If the government wants to protect civilians then why don't they do just that? No we shouldn't just sit back, we should be sending aid not arms, as I said before.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

So we should sit back and just watch Woman and Children get gassed ?

We did in WWII by severely restricting immigration of Jews from Europe. We let a few thousand children in but their parents were left to their fate.

There is no "ideal" solution to Syria. Both sides are as bad as each other.

 

[BlueHammer85]

So we should sit back and just watch Woman and Children get gassed ?

The Rebels have been killing civilians also. Who are we to decide that the rebels are the good guys? If the government wants to protect civilians then why don't they do just that? No we shouldn't just sit back, we should be sending aid not arms, as I said before.

Ok send Aid in, but hows that going to stop rebels/Assad using chemical weapons on there own people ?

 

[marco]

So we should sit back and just watch Woman and Children get gassed ?

The Rebels have been killing civilians also. Who are we to decide that the rebels are the good guys? If the government wants to protect civilians then why don't they do just that? No we shouldn't just sit back, we should be sending aid not arms, as I said before.

great point with regards to the rebels, there are no good guys in syria the rebels are close with terror organisations, lets asume eventually they gain controll where are the chemical weapons going to end up there is a pretty good chance in the hands of these groups so then we have a national security risk for example imagine if some crackpot organisation simply decided to target spurs with them having jewish connections a few of these set of on the concurse at full time could potentually kill thousands, far easyer than hijacking an aircraft and a massive coup for world news, i think there may be more to this than meets the eye than just a military strike we will probably eventually be in syria to recover these weapons to stop anything like the above happening
further to your point with regards to aid for civillians, financial or food it would not matter it would never reach its final destination

 

[DavidSilvasLeftFoot]

So we should sit back and just watch Woman and Children get gassed ?

We did in WWII by severely restricting immigration of Jews from Europe. We let a few thousand children in but their parents were left to their fate.

There is no "ideal" solution to Syria. Both sides are as bad as each other.

We've never really intervened when Israel have targeted women and children either.
You're right though, there's no ideal solution, but I think that entering a war on the side of Al-Quaeda shouldn't be the governments top priority.

 

[marco]

So we should sit back and just watch Woman and Children get gassed ?

We did in WWII by severely restricting immigration of Jews from Europe. We let a few thousand children in but their parents were left to their fate.

There is no "ideal" solution to Syria. Both sides are as bad as each other.

severely restricting immigration of the jewish population was hardly watching them being gassed, it was only towards the end of the war that the german extermination camps like auchwitz and birkenau were identified through mapping missions over germany and poland even the local population in these areas had no idea untill it was to late, im pretty sure if the uk had realised there eventual fate they would have done more than they did

 

[mancitymick]

So we should sit back and just watch Woman and Children get gassed ?

We did in WWII by severely restricting immigration of Jews from Europe. We let a few thousand children in but their parents were left to their fate.

There is no "ideal" solution to Syria. Both sides are as bad as each other.

severely restricting immigration of the jewish population was hardly watching them being gassed, it was only towards the end of the war that the german extermination camps like auchwitz and birkenau were identified through mapping missions over germany and poland even the local population in these areas had no idea untill it was to late, im pretty sure if the uk had realised there eventual fate they would have done more than they did

Reports suggest they knew a lot earlier

 

[marco]

We did in WWII by severely restricting immigration of Jews from Europe. We let a few thousand children in but their parents were left to their fate.

There is no "ideal" solution to Syria. Both sides are as bad as each other.

severely restricting immigration of the jewish population was hardly watching them being gassed, it was only towards the end of the war that the german extermination camps like auchwitz and birkenau were identified through mapping missions over germany and poland even the local population in these areas had no idea untill it was to late, im pretty sure if the uk had realised there eventual fate they would have done more than they did

Reports suggest they knew a lot earlier

i have read same reports as you mention, it was an option to carpet bomb auchwitz but however still far to late for the thousands that had been killed, far to deep behind enemy lines for a ground asault, what else could possibly have been done

 

[SoDakBlue]

Interesting article on the players involved in drumming up support for the jihadist rebels in Syria. Some of the best journalism I've seen in recent years.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...an-opposition-doing-the-talking?commentpage=1

 

[mancitymick]

severely restricting immigration of the jewish population was hardly watching them being gassed, it was only towards the end of the war that the german extermination camps like auchwitz and birkenau were identified through mapping missions over germany and poland even the local population in these areas had no idea untill it was to late, im pretty sure if the uk had realised there eventual fate they would have done more than they did

Reports suggest they knew a lot earlier

i have read same reports as you mention, it was an option to carpet bomb auchwitz but however still far to late for the thousands that had been killed, far to deep behind enemy lines for a ground asault, what else could possibly have been done

Even though this is going of the topic a possibility would of been to take the transport network out. I don't know if you have done a visit to Auswitz but one of the reasons that place was chosen was due to the rail network that was already in place. It would be like us putting a camp near Crewe

 

[Skashion]

The Jewish Agency was consulted over bombing Auschwitz, they decided against, to quote Ben-Gurion:

The view of the board is that we should not ask the Allies to bomb places where there are Jews.

 

[Josh Blue]

So we should sit back and just watch Woman and Children get gassed ?

Mark to really think that's why they are going to bomb the fuck out of Syria?

 

[Ducado]

So we should sit back and just watch Woman and Children get gassed ?

Mark to really think that's why they are going to bomb the fuck out of Syria?

Well unless you can come up with any real evidence it's the only one we have got the rest is just opinion

 

[Josh Blue]

So we should sit back and just watch Woman and Children get gassed ?

Mark to really think that's why they are going to bomb the fuck out of Syria?

Well unless you can come up with any real evidence it's the only one we have got the rest is just opinion

The rest is opinion? Well there is no fact that Assad used chemical weapons? Unless you know something I don't.

I'm asking a question, do you REALLY believe they are going into Syria for humanitarian reasons? Do you believe that?

 

[Skashion]

Well unless you can come up with any real evidence it's the only one we have got the rest is just opinion

He's posted the Britam emails. It's also stretching logic to believe that a red line has been crossed when 335 civilians die because of gas, but it appears 100,000 have died in Syria at the hands of both sides, and suddenly we now have to act. Not when 1,000 died, or 10,000 died, or 50,000 died, but when 335 die after 100,000 already died. It's looking more and more like a false flag every single day.