Syria (merged)

[Gelsons Dad]

UN Report here:
http://www.un.org/disarmament/content/slideshow/Secretary_General_Report_of_CW_Investigation.pdf

Likely to effect the ongoing de-armement process. Syria already claiming the weapons were used by the rebels and came from Iraq.

Sadly for Assad the trajectory of the rounds in known.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

The fact of the matter is that we can't rely on our government's say so. We know they lie. They are habitually exposed by the likes of Bradley (Chelsea) Manning, Edward Snowden, Wikileaks, Anonymous, and other leakers. We cannot rely on trust. We need to see the evidence, but we won't because governments will just claim it's a national security matter. Therein lies the problem. If you are going to hide secrets from the people, and you use that veil to lie, and your lies are found out, the people won't believe you anymore. Most people are taught this lesson as children. It was called crying wolf. Just glad we won't be involved in any military action.

Regretfully I would think we already are............not likely to send in the infantry without having boots on the ground to see whats going on.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

UN Report here:
http://www.un.org/disarmament/content/slideshow/Secretary_General_Report_of_CW_Investigation.pdf

Likely to effect the ongoing de-armement process. Syria already claiming the weapons were used by the rebels and came from Iraq.

Sadly for Assad the trajectory of the rounds in known.

Weapons sold to Assad by the Brits...go here

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10279790/Government-allowed-export-of-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-Syria.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Syria.html</a>

Is there nothing our bastard government won't do to make a profit?

launched by missiles sold to them by the Russians

 

[bluemanc]

UN Report here:
http://www.un.org/disarmament/content/slideshow/Secretary_General_Report_of_CW_Investigation.pdf

Likely to effect the ongoing de-armement process. Syria already claiming the weapons were used by the rebels and came from Iraq.

Sadly for Assad the trajectory of the rounds in known.

Weapons sold to Assad by the Brits...go here

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10279790/Government-allowed-export-of-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-Syria.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Syria.html</a>

Is there nothing our bastard government won't do to make a profit?

launched by missiles sold to them by the Russians

The bastard government didn't sell them the weapons or the ingredients,or am i missing something in that article you linked to.
Or by "OUR" government do you mean Iraq or Russia.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

UN Report here:
http://www.un.org/disarmament/content/slideshow/Secretary_General_Report_of_CW_Investigation.pdf

Likely to effect the ongoing de-armement process. Syria already claiming the weapons were used by the rebels and came from Iraq.

Sadly for Assad the trajectory of the rounds in known.

Weapons sold to Assad by the Brits...go here

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10279790/Government-allowed-export-of-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-Syria.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Syria.html</a>

Is there nothing our bastard government won't do to make a profit?

launched by missiles sold to them by the Russians

The bastard government didn't sell them the weapons or the ingredients,or am i missing something in that article you linked to.
Or by "OUR" government do you mean Iraq or Russia.

From the article the license was revoked and nothing sold. Also this was not a weapons sale but the sale of industrial chemicals which have a number of uses.

 

[bluemanc]

Weapons sold to Assad by the Brits...go here

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10279790/Government-allowed-export-of-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-Syria.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Syria.html</a>

Is there nothing our bastard government won't do to make a profit?

launched by missiles sold to them by the Russians

The bastard government didn't sell them the weapons or the ingredients,or am i missing something in that article you linked to.
Or by "OUR" government do you mean Iraq or Russia.

From the article the license was revoked and nothing sold. Also this was not a weapons sale but the sale of industrial chemicals which have a number of uses.

Yep,that's the way i read it.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

The bastard government didn't sell them the weapons or the ingredients,or am i missing something in that article you linked to.
Or by "OUR" government do you mean Iraq or Russia.

From the article the license was revoked and nothing sold. Also this was not a weapons sale but the sale of industrial chemicals which have a number of uses.

Yep,that's the way i read it.

Errmmm

They licensed the sale of potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride last January, 10 months after the bloody uprising began


And you believe None was sold?


Nieve if I may say so ....after everything the government(s) of this country have been up to<br /><br />-- Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:06 pm --<br /><br />

From the article the license was revoked and nothing sold. Also this was not a weapons sale but the sale of industrial chemicals which have a number of uses.

Yep,that's the way i read it.

Errmmm

They licensed the sale of potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride last January, 10 months after the bloody uprising began


And you believe None was sold?


Nieve if I may say so ....after everything the government(s) of this country have been up to

oh ....and heres a bit more

Go here

<a class="postlink" href="http://inserbia.info/news/2013/09/britain-allows-sale-of-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-syria/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://inserbia.info/news/2013/09/brita ... -to-syria/</a>

According to MP Thomas Docharty, who sits on the House of Commons’ Committees on Arms Export Controls, “At best it has been negligent and at worst reckless to export material that could have been used to create chemical weapons. MPs will be horrified and furious that the UK Government has been allowing the sale of these ingredients to Syria. What the hell were they doing granting a licence in the first place? I would like to know what investigations have been carried out to establish if any of this material exported to Syria was subsequently used in the attacks on its own people.”

Similarly, Mark Bitel of Scotland’s Campaign against Arms Trade said: “The UK Government claims to have an ethical policy on arms exports, but when it comes down to practice, the reality is very different. The government is hypocritical to talk about chemical weapons if it’s granting licences to companies to export to regimes such as Syria.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

From the article the license was revoked and nothing sold. Also this was not a weapons sale but the sale of industrial chemicals which have a number of uses.

Yep,that's the way i read it.

Errmmm

They licensed the sale of potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride last January, 10 months after the bloody uprising began


And you believe None was sold?


Nieve if I may say so ....after everything the government(s) of this country have been up to

-- Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:06 pm --

Yep,that's the way i read it.

Errmmm

They licensed the sale of potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride last January, 10 months after the bloody uprising began


And you believe None was sold?


Nieve if I may say so ....after everything the government(s) of this country have been up to

oh ....and heres a bit more

Go here

<a class="postlink" href="http://inserbia.info/news/2013/09/britain-allows-sale-of-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-syria/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://inserbia.info/news/2013/09/brita ... -to-syria/</a>

According to MP Thomas Docharty, who sits on the House of Commons’ Committees on Arms Export Controls, “At best it has been negligent and at worst reckless to export material that could have been used to create chemical weapons. MPs will be horrified and furious that the UK Government has been allowing the sale of these ingredients to Syria. What the hell were they doing granting a licence in the first place? I would like to know what investigations have been carried out to establish if any of this material exported to Syria was subsequently used in the attacks on its own people.”

Similarly, Mark Bitel of Scotland’s Campaign against Arms Trade said: “The UK Government claims to have an ethical policy on arms exports, but when it comes down to practice, the reality is very different. The government is hypocritical to talk about chemical weapons if it’s granting licences to companies to export to regimes such as Syria.

Not one single chemical weapon was sold from Britain to Syria, It was a licence for chemicals that can be used in many different things. There was no trade embargo on Syria before the uprising

 

[Gelsons Dad]

But that doesn't make such good headlines.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

But that doesn't make such good headlines.

so your logic says that I should be able to buy the chemicals that make any thing (or drug) and that shouldn't attract any attention......however thats not quite the case is it?

BTW we've been selling them this stuff since 2007 ....go here

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/08/sarin-uk-firms-_n_3890574.html?ir=UK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09 ... html?ir=UK</a>

s'much as I don't want to fall out with fellow blues ....you need to take your blinkers off m8

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

But that doesn't make such good headlines.

so your logic says that I should be able to buy the chemicals that make any thing (or drug) and that shouldn't attract any attention......however thats not quite the case is it?

BTW we've been selling them this stuff since 2007 ....go here

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/08/sarin-uk-firms-_n_3890574.html?ir=UK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09 ... html?ir=UK</a>

s'much as I don't want to fall out with fellow blues ....you need to take your blinkers off m8

No but a country who was not involved in any fighting or war should be able to buy chemicals that allow them to make things from companies that sell it under licence.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

But that doesn't make such good headlines.

so your logic says that I should be able to buy the chemicals that make any thing (or drug) and that shouldn't attract any attention......however thats not quite the case is it?

BTW we've been selling them this stuff since 2007 ....go here

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/08/sarin-uk-firms-_n_3890574.html?ir=UK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09 ... html?ir=UK</a>

s'much as I don't want to fall out with fellow blues ....you need to take your blinkers off m8

No my logic is that while no sanctions are in place the sale of legitimate goods used in may industrial processes should not be restricted unless there is reason to do so. Companies should apply for licenses to export and where the DofT sees fit it should issue licenses. When political circumstances change the DofT should review it's policy and withhold licenses for goods which it believes may be used for purposes other than those stated.

In this case, goods which before the current crisis would probably not be restricted were incorrectly licensed but the license was revoked when the error was realised. No one was knowingly supplying chemicals to make Nerve agent. There is no legal framework to do that.

You need to stop inventing reasons to distrust the government you elected.

 

[Josh Blue]

But that doesn't make such good headlines.

so your logic says that I should be able to buy the chemicals that make any thing (or drug) and that shouldn't attract any attention......however thats not quite the case is it?

BTW we've been selling them this stuff since 2007 ....go here

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/08/sarin-uk-firms-_n_3890574.html?ir=UK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09 ... html?ir=UK</a>

s'much as I don't want to fall out with fellow blues ....you need to take your blinkers off m8

No my logic is that while no sanctions are in place the sale of legitimate goods used in may industrial processes should not be restricted unless there is reason to do so. Companies should apply for licenses to export and where the DofT sees fit it should issue licenses. When political circumstances change the DofT should review it's policy and withhold licenses for goods which it believes may be used for purposes other than those stated.

In this case, goods which before the current crisis would probably not be restricted were incorrectly licensed but the license was revoked when the error was realised. No one was knowingly supplying chemicals to make Nerve agent. There is no legal framework to do that.

You need to stop inventing reasons to distrust the government you elected.

You appear so bias

 

[Chancy Termites]

Isn't sodium fluoride what they put in the water supply to reduce tooth decay?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

so your logic says that I should be able to buy the chemicals that make any thing (or drug) and that shouldn't attract any attention......however thats not quite the case is it?

BTW we've been selling them this stuff since 2007 ....go here

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/08/sarin-uk-firms-_n_3890574.html?ir=UK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09 ... html?ir=UK</a>

s'much as I don't want to fall out with fellow blues ....you need to take your blinkers off m8

No my logic is that while no sanctions are in place the sale of legitimate goods used in may industrial processes should not be restricted unless there is reason to do so. Companies should apply for licenses to export and where the DofT sees fit it should issue licenses. When political circumstances change the DofT should review it's policy and withhold licenses for goods which it believes may be used for purposes other than those stated.

In this case, goods which before the current crisis would probably not be restricted were incorrectly licensed but the license was revoked when the error was realised. No one was knowingly supplying chemicals to make Nerve agent. There is no legal framework to do that.

You need to stop inventing reasons to distrust the government you elected.

You appear so bias

Care to expand? bias towards whom?

-- Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:06 pm --

Isn't sodium fluoride what they put in the water supply to reduce tooth decay?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2bSL5VQgM[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB5Vvs2cdqY[/youtube]

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

But that doesn't make such good headlines.

so your logic says that I should be able to buy the chemicals that make any thing (or drug) and that shouldn't attract any attention......however thats not quite the case is it?

BTW we've been selling them this stuff since 2007 ....go here

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/08/sarin-uk-firms-_n_3890574.html?ir=UK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09 ... html?ir=UK</a>

s'much as I don't want to fall out with fellow blues ....you need to take your blinkers off m8

No my logic is that while no sanctions are in place the sale of legitimate goods used in may industrial processes should not be restricted unless there is reason to do so. Companies should apply for licenses to export and where the DofT sees fit it should issue licenses. When political circumstances change the DofT should review it's policy and withhold licenses for goods which it believes may be used for purposes other than those stated.

In this case, goods which before the current crisis would probably not be restricted were incorrectly licensed but the license was revoked when the error was realised. No one was knowingly supplying chemicals to make Nerve agent. There is no legal framework to do that.

You need to stop inventing reasons to distrust the government you elected.

i for one didn't elect them and tbh neither did anyone else in the UK. .......and hasn't Syria always been like this?

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

so your logic says that I should be able to buy the chemicals that make any thing (or drug) and that shouldn't attract any attention......however thats not quite the case is it?

BTW we've been selling them this stuff since 2007 ....go here

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/08/sarin-uk-firms-_n_3890574.html?ir=UK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09 ... html?ir=UK</a>

s'much as I don't want to fall out with fellow blues ....you need to take your blinkers off m8

No my logic is that while no sanctions are in place the sale of legitimate goods used in may industrial processes should not be restricted unless there is reason to do so. Companies should apply for licenses to export and where the DofT sees fit it should issue licenses. When political circumstances change the DofT should review it's policy and withhold licenses for goods which it believes may be used for purposes other than those stated.

In this case, goods which before the current crisis would probably not be restricted were incorrectly licensed but the license was revoked when the error was realised. No one was knowingly supplying chemicals to make Nerve agent. There is no legal framework to do that.

You need to stop inventing reasons to distrust the government you elected.

You appear so bias

Bias towards what, sense?
The chemicals sold are not dangerous and used in many ways. The UK or any UK company did not sell Syria weapons. Russia, China and Iran did that but that wont sell British papers

 

[Josh Blue]

No my logic is that while no sanctions are in place the sale of legitimate goods used in may industrial processes should not be restricted unless there is reason to do so. Companies should apply for licenses to export and where the DofT sees fit it should issue licenses. When political circumstances change the DofT should review it's policy and withhold licenses for goods which it believes may be used for purposes other than those stated.

In this case, goods which before the current crisis would probably not be restricted were incorrectly licensed but the license was revoked when the error was realised. No one was knowingly supplying chemicals to make Nerve agent. There is no legal framework to do that.

You need to stop inventing reasons to distrust the government you elected.

You appear so bias

Bias towards what, sense?
The chemicals sold are not dangerous and used in many ways. The UK or any UK company did not sell Syria weapons. Russia, China and Iran did that but that wont sell British papers

The UK is arming the "rebels" and they are killing innocent women and children but lets keep arming them.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

You appear so bias

Bias towards what, sense?
The chemicals sold are not dangerous and used in many ways. The UK or any UK company did not sell Syria weapons. Russia, China and Iran did that but that wont sell British papers

The UK is arming the "rebels" and they are killing innocent women and children but lets keep arming them.

Ah I see the change the argument angle

 

[Josh Blue]

Bias towards what, sense?
The chemicals sold are not dangerous and used in many ways. The UK or any UK company did not sell Syria weapons. Russia, China and Iran did that but that wont sell British papers

The UK is arming the "rebels" and they are killing innocent women and children but lets keep arming them.

Ah I see the change the argument angle

You're alright mate. No argument.