Teachers of Bluemoon

brass neck said:
The Tory Scum have played some people on here like the proverbial....

Because teachers have good holidays (apparently) that doesn't mean teachers are taking the piss. And if people from the private sector are annoyed they get played cockall have pisss poor pensions, limited rights, and are struggling to make ends meet as their company owner drives home in a posh car, goes on 4 holidays a year, privately educates their kids etc (i know, I've been there) then they should unionize and get it sorted out. The one sector that hasnt capitulated should be worshipped. But bottom line NOBODY is doing well. Teachers arnt rich..... They struggle to get by like everyone else. We should cut out the petty jealousy, cut out the infighting.. .. get together, back each other's causes because you know what. WE are not the problem. WE don't hold the wealth, it's the top 5 percent who are the problem. They hold 60 percent of the wealth .They want us to fight it out and keep our eyes off them. They are playing us like the proverbial....
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Union? Do you have any idea how hard it is to run a business and make money? if your boss doesn't share his success and you are underpaid or undervalued leave. Simple as that.

Why don't you set up a company if it is that easy to have a posh car, 4 holidays, private educate your kids etc?
 
We don't all have the same rights .In some places management are into you if you go for a piss, some people are forced into zero hour contracts, if you don't do the work the management want of you then you won't get the work at all. That could mean being foreed to work shifts or weekends. Hold bosses to ransom..... If the working class hadn't done that 150 years a go where would we be now? The right to withdraw Labour is a precious right, earned by brave people and not to be thrown away by morons who live in fake Tudor abominations driving their Ford focus who have convinced themselves they are eating at the top table. I've got news for you. You're not, your a collaborator your uncle Tom hanging around master in your hand me down suit. They are taking the piss out of you me and anyone below. If a teacher who worked hard at school didn't piss about sent to university then did 2 years training before embarking on a career that takes time, imagination and skill. A career that is about education, paperwork, time management, social work, psychology, therapy, conciliation, if that teacher makes it through the fort 10 years ticking all the boxes, not rubbing management up the wrong way, getting results (but not better results than your line manage) if that teachers gets to earn say 50k. They still are not doing well compared to them above us .
 
Well, howabout F-off OP, I get 38 days,which is good, but not the claimed sh1t by the right wing press, oh and I work into the evenings & weekends & holidays marking, planning, worrying about the twunts I have to teach who don't give a crap. So F off & read your Daily Mail/Telegraph & start another worthwhile post. Dick...
 
If you don't understand what I mean about we are all being ripped off from a bin man to management. This is what I mean .I'm not being disparaging to people's career but we are blind to what's going around us. We are being had .This is American but the same will apply here . We need to unite for the sake of our kids .Time to draw a line in the sand.

 
brass neck said:
We don't all have the same rights .In some places management are into you if you go for a piss, some people are forced into zero hour contracts, if you don't do the work the management want of you then you won't get the work at all. That could mean being foreed to work shifts or weekends. Hold bosses to ransom..... If the working class hadn't done that 150 years a go where would we be now? The right to withdraw Labour is a precious right, earned by brave people and not to be thrown away by morons who live in fake Tudor abominations driving their Ford focus who have convinced themselves they are eating at the top table. I've got news for you. You're not, your a collaborator your uncle Tom hanging around master in your hand me down suit. They are taking the piss out of you me and anyone below. If a teacher who worked hard at school didn't piss about sent to university then did 2 years training before embarking on a career that takes time, imagination and skill. A career that is about education, paperwork, time management, social work, psychology, therapy, conciliation, if that teacher makes it through the fort 10 years ticking all the boxes, not rubbing management up the wrong way, getting results (but not better results than your line manage) if that teachers gets to earn say 50k. They still are not doing well compared to them above us .
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You know you are onto something when Larry, Curly, Moe and the rest of rwnjs start moaning.
Another very good post.
uncle Tom lol, spot on.
 
brass neck said:
If you don't understand what I mean about we are all being ripped off from a bin man to management. This is what I mean .I'm not being disparaging to people's career but we are blind to what's going around us. We are being had .This is American but the same will apply here . We need to unite for the sake of our kids .Time to draw a line in the sand.

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Absolutely, naive morons led by media think that people complaining about their conditions are "shirkers" sad times & disappointing that so few give a shit & are happy with their lot, hypnotised by X Factor, Celebs, Dogshit standard news reporting etc. I've worked in private industry for over 20 years & now in teaching & the workforce are routinely treated as little more than cogs in the wheel, no wonder we are in the proverbial toilet.
 
Well Done OP. Very well played, indeed.

It only seems like five minutes since you were regailing the board with your tales of student life, now you're a hackned drone bemoaning the life of luxury lived by public sector workers.

Enjoy your trophy.

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brass neck said:
We don't all have the same rights .In some places management are into you if you go for a piss, some people are forced into zero hour contracts, if you don't do the work the management want of you then you won't get the work at all. That could mean being foreed to work shifts or weekends. Hold bosses to ransom..... If the working class hadn't done that 150 years a go where would we be now? The right to withdraw Labour is a precious right, earned by brave people and not to be thrown away by morons who live in fake Tudor abominations driving their Ford focus who have convinced themselves they are eating at the top table. I've got news for you. You're not, your a collaborator your uncle Tom hanging around master in your hand me down suit. They are taking the piss out of you me and anyone below. If a teacher who worked hard at school didn't piss about sent to university then did 2 years training before embarking on a career that takes time, imagination and skill. A career that is about education, paperwork, time management, social work, psychology, therapy, conciliation, if that teacher makes it through the fort 10 years ticking all the boxes, not rubbing management up the wrong way, getting results (but not better results than your line manage) if that teachers gets to earn say 50k. They still are not doing well compared to them above us .
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Of course we all have the same rights - they're enshrined in statute. Some people have employers who are less easy going, some that allow the bare minimum, and some that do not comply at all; that is not the same as having fewer rights than others.

Nobody is forced onto zero hour contracts; you have a choice when you accept a particular job. Some people actually like being on a zero hours contract. If you want set hours, choose a different job - not all employers can guarantee fixed hours. The same applies to shifts and weekends (many who work unsociable hours do so because they are paid better for doing so).

Newsflash...this isn't 1866! I don't deny the unions did a great deal to improve the lot of the worker all them years ago, but we now have better employment law, better access to education, and more social mobility.

What is wrong with living in a mock-Tudor house and driving a Focus? It may not be dining at the top table, but it is hardly poverty. You seem to either want the same as the rich for little effort (which is greed), or you want the rich to have less (which is jealousy).
 
I don't know why these teacher threads always descend into bitterness. We manage to take the piss out of posties and firemen for doing fuck all without those threads getting all nasty, but the teachers always seem to take the hump. Good to see the lazy buggers have the time to balloon around on here when if what they say is true they should be planning lessons or marking ;-)
 
Spoken like a poundshop Gordon Gheco. So concerned the public sector are not doing their job properly he comes on here (in work time) telling us to get to work. Does it come as part of the fringe benefits as your job in the office. 100k a year, A fake off road Nissan bulbmobile, a Mock Tudor monstrosity in Bramhall and a innate ability to talk bilge on demand!
 
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What are right-wing people? – a guide for under 10-year-olds

This is Toby. Toby thinks he is great. Toby likes to tell other people how they can be great too. Toby is what we call a ‘right-wing’ person.

But what are ‘right-wing’ people?

Right-wing people are people who think they are great. Right-wing people think everyone can be great too if only other people were a bit more like them. Right-wing people think they know how to do things better than other people.
Some right-wing people even think they know better than experts. If you have a tummy ache, normal people go to a doctor. Normal people listen to the doctor and do what they tell them to do.
But right-wing people don’t like to listen to doctors. Right-wing people think they know better than doctors.


This is Jeremy. Jeremy thinks he knows better than doctors.

Right-wing people also think they know better than firemen how to put out fires. And they think they know better than teachers how to teach. And right-wing people even think they know better than your mum how to look after you.
But right-wing people do like to help people. In fact, a lot of right-wing people spend a LOT of time telling people what to do. For example, right-wing people like to help disabled people by telling them not to be so disabled. And taking their wheelchairs off them.
And right-wing people like to help people who don’t have enough to eat by taking their bedrooms off them.


This is David. David is a Prime Minister. Prime Ministers are important. They go to cocktail parties and talk about important things.

Right-wing people like nothing better than to buy and sell things. Right-wing people like to buy and sell everything. Trains, schools, hospitals. They will even buy and sell things that don’t belong to them. Trains, schools, hospitals. Some will even sell you their grannies. If the price is right. Or their souls.


This is Iain. Iain doesn’t have a soul.

Right-wing people don’t like a lot of things. They don’t like working class people. They think their television sets are too big. And they think working class people speak funny. They think if working class people speak more like they do, then they could be great people too. Right-wing people don’t much like sick or old people. They think if sick or old people spent less time lying in hospital beds and more time buying and selling things, then they wouldn’t be sick or old any longer. Right-wing people think everything can be made better by buying and selling things. Trains, schools, hospitals. Old age.

How to spot a right-wing person?
Some right-wing people have two faces and have noses which are too high on their faces, causing them to look down on other people. They also suffer from illnesses like severe knee-jerk reactions. Right-wing people’s hearts are often very small. Some right-wing people don’t have any heart at all.


This is Nick. Nick has two faces.

There are a lot of colours right-wing people don’t like. They don’t like brown or black, because they think they’re not white enough. Right-wing people’s favourite colour is white. They think white is better than any other colour. Right-wing people would like everything to be white. White towns, white collars, white golf clubs.
Right-wing people don’t like green. They think only left-wing people should like green. And right-wing people especially hate red. They think red should be wiped off the face of the earth.
Right-wing people like nature. They like nothing better than to spend a day in the countryside, experiencing the rich diversity of wild life that lives there. And killing it.


This is George. George doesn’t like people who don’t have money.

Right-wing people think everybody who has money is great. They think if people who don’t have money didn’t have such big televisions sets and didn’t speak so funny they could have money too. They think people shouldn’t get themselves born into a family without money. Right-wing people think the best way to make sure families without money have more money, is to give more money to families who have money, and take more money away from families who don’t have much money. Right-wing people like money.

How to tell if you are a right-wing person?

Simply take this one question test to find out if you are a right-wing person:

  1. Do you think anybody could be great given a chance even if they are not white, rich or able-bodied?
A. No

B. Yes

You answered A – you are probably a right-wing person.

You answered B – you are probably not a right-wing person.
 
Not got a problem with rich people. But i don't understand why if you're rich all of a sudden you need support off the government to continue being rich. I hear all the time we shouldn't be "punishing" the wealth creators. Well I've got news for you. Wealth creators rarely create wealth for anyone except themselves. Trickle Down has developed a burst pipe up stream.




Paying fair tax which is proportional should be a gimmie. The greatest privilege of wealth should be to pay into a society the sort of money that would improve that society. A society that has allowed the wealth to be created in the first place. Not got a problem with self made wealth. But anti family money being handed down generation after generation. Bill Gates..... Fine. Donald Trump. Decline.
 
brass neck said:
Not got a problem with rich people. But i don't understand why if you're rich all of a sudden you need support off the government to continue being rich. I hear all the time we shouldn't be "punishing" the wealth creators. Well I've got news for you. Wealth creators rarely create wealth for anyone except themselves. Trickle Down has developed a burst pipe up stream.

Paying fair tax which is proportional should be a gimmie. The greatest privilege of wealth should be to pay into a society the sort of money that would improve that society. A society that has allowed the wealth to be created in the first place. Not got a problem with self made wealth. But anti family money being handed down generation after generation. Bill Gates..... Fine. Donald Trump. Decline.
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Since when did the rich get government support to continue being rich? Where did you get the idea they rarely create wealth for others? What about those that run businesses that provide employment? What about those that keep tradesmen and craftsmen in work when they renovate their houses? What about the people who make the luxury goods they enjoy? What about the money they invest?

The rich don't just pay tax that is proportional - the rate at which they pay it increases as they earn more. Many will avoid tax by means fair and foul, but so do lower earners.

With regards to handing down wealth, if somebody has earned it, it is their right to say who benefits from what is legitimately theirs. Obviously there are some obnoxious twunts like Trump, who would be nothing without daddy's money, but what about parents leaving a modest house to their kids? Where is the cut-off point?
 
Watch the YouTube clip. It explains my sentiment way better than I could . Cut off point. All personal opinion obviously but me....... I'd take all earnings after death and invest it in education career training free university funding and investment in business start ups. Everyone should have a chance not just the sporn of rich daddy's .And yes....... I would personally advocate that policy for ALL inheritance. Ill get NOTHING from my dad's hard work....... And you know what...... I wouldn't want it. For me and I know not everyone subscribes to this. Inheritance is theft!
 
brass neck said:
Watch the YouTube clip. It explains my sentiment way better than I could . Cut off point. All personal opinion obviously but me....... I'd take all earnings after death and invest it in education career training free university funding and investment in business start ups. Everyone should have a chance not just the sporn of rich daddy's .And yes....... I would personally advocate that policy for ALL inheritance. Ill get NOTHING from my dad's hard work....... And you know what...... I wouldn't want it. For me and I know not everyone subscribes to this. Inheritance is theft!
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Better off staying in the public sector comrade.
 
Mustard Dave said:
1) Nobody has limited rights - we all have the same. If those rights are being ignored, there are other alternatives to using a union. If you do not like the pay, go somewhere that pays better rather than holding the employer to ransom.

2) Teachers are not rich (although some are very well paid), but they are not poor either. Their pay is pretty good, and the conditions are excellent. If they struggle to get by, they should look at their management of their personal finances.

3) They also pay most of the tax.

4) No they don't. The vast majority of us are happy with our lot, and couldn't give a toss what others are earning.
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Many on the hard left presume working class folk, like me, are seething with outrage at the bloated Lord of the Manor, casually
flogging us at whim and forcing us down pits, whilst gorging himself on the fruits of the sweat of our brows.
Very few working class people think like this, and the intellectual left just never gets it.
Which is why, since 1945, there have been more Conservative administrations than Labour.
And why there will be (regrettably) even more, if Labour don't ditch their current incumbent.
 
This thread is definitely just a fishing exercise, right?

It amazes me how people can be so dismissive of teachers. They provide such a critical service to our economy, education wise, economically, culturally, and yet there are those who are so dismissive of them as a group. The rhetoric is bordering on insanity.

I moved jobs in February, and am, thankfully, now in a place where my working environment is less time consuming. However, prior to that I spent a long time working in an industry which is broadly scene as one of the most demanding in terms of pressure.

Without knowing what you all do for a living, I can say with almost certainty, that I have spent more hours working a day than the vast majority on this thread. I don't need to know what you guys do for a living, because I know what work I was doing and there aren't many industries that put in as much time during a working week than I did (I know there are some, lawyers, consultants potentially, people starting out in their own business, maybe). I put up with uncertainty, having multiple holidays cancelled, coming back from holidays, taking calls on holidays. I got used to never being able to socialise in the week, and honestly, mostly only having the ability to socialise friday night. I cancelled so many plans during my first six months, I just stopped making plans. My body adjusted to a vastly different cycle than most of you could even begin to consider as acceptable, I'm talking "roundabout" shifts, 100+ hour weeks etc. I certainly worked far longer hours than fucking marketing.

Yet here is a thread which criticises a part of society that is not glamorous, not lauded upon, not held in as much respect as it deserves for not working enough. Its quite frankly embarrassing.

The biggest takeaway I took from my time being kicked from pillar to post was that there is more to life. Bragging about your working hours, criticising others for theirs is an absolutely ridiculous state of mind. Having worked in the beating heart of capitalism, and I love the industry to this day, I can safely say none of you will be on your death bed wishing you worked one more hour at work. Its a twisted sense of dick measuring which, in my experience, is held by those who have very little else in their life. I used to do the same years ago, and it was probably because I didn't, I couldn't, have anything else in my life.

When we consider how far we are willing to bend over for an employer, how much we are willing to sacrifice. Is it worth it and for what are we doing it? I still work in the industry, though in a very different role, I love the industry, and think it plays a pivotal role in the economy. However, I just think dragging everyone down to the bottom, critcising those who have a good lifestyle is a ludicrous mindset. You can take pride in your work, you can be driven and motivated without demonstrating your insecurity and trying to criticise someone who is 1) actually contributing a great deal more to society than most corporate roles 2) has made a choice of a career which provides a lifestyle.

It smacks of jealousy, and honestly, if you're going to criticise, if its such a good job, then do it yourself. Otherwise it comes across as wildly arrogant.
 
One friend I know went into teaching in the State sector showing all the requisite ambition supposedly lacking - quickly worked up to Head of Dept in her late twenties. Doing well and enjoying life. Married, young daughter then back to work.
In the interim the school had been taken over by a "Super Head"- the remit was to force the school to become an academy. This basically involved bullying and pressurising the staff for month on end , seeing who was left and then replacing the casualties with cronies and newly qualified teachers who might jump that bit higher when told.
She herself was expected in at 6 am every day and to not leave before 8pm- followed by an hours drive home. Absolutely no chance to spend time with the family. Practically a stranger to her daughter and husband. Weekends were not time off. Inevitably she left and thankfully found a new post with more realistic management. Exam results are good and job / life balance more realistic. But that previous year or so had brought exhaustion, stress, insomnia, guilt and relationship strain.
 
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