Teachers to strike?

[dom]

No ernesto, I'm usually closer to right than some as I only post on subjects I have some clue about.

Unlike you.

I have never seen you make a coherent argument on here. You simply call people names and say "top post" or "hear hear".

You're quite the debater.

your always right even when you`re wrong, as for name calling have a closer look at your own posts, but then again in your eyes you dont seem able to get beyond " im the most able to speak on this as im the most qualified" everyone else who disagrees with you is a "whatever comes into your trivial mind" i find most things you post amusing for the simple reason you think you know it all.

Still yet to make a coherent point on topic then.

Your immaturity knows no bounds. Now kindly try and stick with the topic you strange stalker.

I say, chaps
have you never heard of the trap of arguemnet 'ad hominem'?

 

[SWP's back]

your always right even when you`re wrong, as for name calling have a closer look at your own posts, but then again in your eyes you dont seem able to get beyond " im the most able to speak on this as im the most qualified" everyone else who disagrees with you is a "whatever comes into your trivial mind" i find most things you post amusing for the simple reason you think you know it all.

Still yet to make a coherent point on topic then.

Your immaturity knows no bounds. Now kindly try and stick with the topic you strange stalker.

stalker ? please the refrain from being the know all that you are obviously are not

Why not make a point and show me how im wrong.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Brown.... managed the economy in good faith under the pre crisis conditions.

Please explain to me how running a structural defecit before the financial crisis and after sixteen years of uninterrupted growth and eleven years (at that point) in office is managing the economy in 'good faith' ?

Well Gordon etc

I am not an economist but , like most Finance ministers, according to friends of mine both in France and the US , he was doing pretty much as were theirs

Presumably he felt that in times of ' growth' that the implications of borrowing were not so radical.
Let's be hosest... did you predict the sub-prime mortgage catastrophe thatdominoed across the world banking sector ????

Ah, the gift of hindsight !!!!!!!!!!!!

No I did not. But I do recall saying repeatedly to my wife that we were not providing for a rainy day and that as sure as eggs were eggs that day would come. I also repeatedly told her that Brown was drunk on power and that he was ruining all the good work that Tony Blair had done making the Labour party electable again. I also said over and over that there was no possibilty that Labour would win the last election having alienated Middle England. And (whilst in no way a reflection of my powers of prediction) I also repeatedly told her that Brown was a ****.

All in all I think I did ok at seeing into the future and I didn't need to phone a friend in France or the U.S.

 

[Blue Maverick]

£28k a year for fireman is correct but you could always apply for the job, we also pay 11% rising to 15% towards our pension from that money, work 7 out of 8 weekends and nights and most bank holidays, I don't want any sympathy etc but I get paid adequately for my job which entered into a contract with my employers, if I was to break that contract I would be sacked so how can they break it and me just roll over, the same goes for anyone in any job. Unfortunately I can't leave GMC fire service and join another for better terms because its a national thing and believe it or not I like my job, but that's all it is a job, anyone can apply so stop complaining about earning £6.25 an hour get your name down next time they recruit .

Fucking hell, next you'll be moaning about risking your life entering a burning building to rescue someone or being called to a RTA to cut someone or corpse out of a smashed vehicle in horrific circumstances. FFS get a proper job

Who's moaning just pointing out what we do seen as you seem to know all about my job just thought I'd set the record straight, and what exactly is a proper job, stacking shelves or working at a PC, or maybe sweeping the streets, I get paid for the risks and stuff I deal with and I think it's a fair deal and also think my pension is all part of that deal so stop fucking about with we reformed ours 5 years ago under Labour.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Please explain to me how running a structural deficit before the financial crisis and after sixteen years of uninterrupted growth and eleven years (at that point) in office is managing the economy in 'good faith' ?

I'd like to hear that as well.

You just have ... Do keep up PB !! (Only my guess , mind !!)

I don't have to guess because I know exactly what happened. When economies were growing, our government used its revenues to fund borrowing to an unsafe degree.

The credit crisis that started with the collapse of the US sub-prime mortgage market caused a liquidity problem that restricted global trade and corporate revenues. This reduced government revenues from tax and other sources and stopped them from borrowing yet more money they hadn't got. An economy that was run prudently would have survived the liquidity crisis, as many did.

A number of factors caused the credit crisis but the government was solely responsible for leaving our economy so exposed. To use an analogy that people can understand, let's suppose you earn £2k a month, £1k basic and the rest in bonuese, overtime, commission, whatever. You can live on your £1k basic but instead of saving the extra money, you use it to fund loans for a car, a villa abroad, a new kitchen and bathroom etc. While you are getting the extra £1k a month it's affordable but suppose the company runs into trouble and you lose most or all of the extra money each month. You're fucked and need ot find ways to reduce your level of borrowing. However, if you just saved most or all of the extra £1k a month you'd be OK.

The former course of action is what Brown did. That's basically why we were saddled with debts we couldn't afford when the growth stopped.

Edit: Bailing out the banks was only a small part of that and we will get all that back eventually, probably more than they put in, in fact. The real problem was the structural deficit Broen created.

 

[SWP's back]

Please explain to me how running a structural defecit before the financial crisis and after sixteen years of uninterrupted growth and eleven years (at that point) in office is managing the economy in 'good faith' ?

Well Gordon etc

I am not an economist but , like most Finance ministers, according to friends of mine both in France and the US , he was doing pretty much as were theirs

Presumably he felt that in times of ' growth' that the implications of borrowing were not so radical.
Let's be hosest... did you predict the sub-prime mortgage catastrophe thatdominoed across the world banking sector ????

Ah, the gift of hindsight !!!!!!!!!!!!

No I did not. But I do recall saying repeatedly to my wife that we were not providing for a rainy day and that as sure as eggs were eggs that day would come. I also repeatedly told her that Brown was drunk on power and that he was ruining all the good work that Tony Blair had done making the Labour party electable again. I also said over and over that there was no possibilty that Labour would win the last election having alienated Middle England. And (whilst in no way a reflection of my powers of prediction) I also repeatedly told her that Brown was a ****.

All in all I think I did ok at seeing into the future and I didn't need to phone a friend in France or the U.S.

All of this plus the fact that we did not NEED to increase borrowing levels so highly during such a long period of global economic growth. Brown simply spent spent spent in the hope of bribing voters without us seeing any significant improvement in public services.

 

[oakiecokie]

£28k a year for fireman is correct but you could always apply for the job, we also pay 11% rising to 15% towards our pension from that money, work 7 out of 8 weekends and nights and most bank holidays, I don't want any sympathy etc but I get paid adequately for my job which entered into a contract with my employers, if I was to break that contract I would be sacked so how can they break it and me just roll over, the same goes for anyone in any job. Unfortunately I can't leave GMC fire service and join another for better terms because its a national thing and believe it or not I like my job, but that's all it is a job, anyone can apply so stop complaining about earning £6.25 an hour get your name down next time they recruit .

Fucking hell, next you'll be moaning about risking your life entering a burning building to rescue someone or being called to a RTA to cut someone or corpse out of a smashed vehicle in horrific circumstances. FFS get a proper job

Don`t forget the cats stuck up the trees.

 

[ernesto]

Please explain to me how running a structural defecit before the financial crisis and after sixteen years of uninterrupted growth and eleven years (at that point) in office is managing the economy in 'good faith' ?

Well Gordon etc

I am not an economist but , like most Finance ministers, according to friends of mine both in France and the US , he was doing pretty much as were theirs

Presumably he felt that in times of ' growth' that the implications of borrowing were not so radical.
Let's be hosest... did you predict the sub-prime mortgage catastrophe thatdominoed across the world banking sector ????

Ah, the gift of hindsight !!!!!!!!!!!!

No I did not. But I do recall saying repeatedly to my wife that we were not providing for a rainy day and that as sure as eggs were eggs that day would come. I also repeatedly told her that Brown was drunk on power and that he was ruining all the good work that Tony Blair had done making the Labour party electable again. I also said over and over that there was no possibilty that Labour would win the last election having alienated Middle England. And (whilst in no way a reflection of my powers of prediction) I also repeatedly told her that Brown was a ****.

All in all I think I did ok at seeing into the future and I didn't need to phone a friend in France or the U.S.

had a drink have we

 

[SWP's back]

Can we stay on topic please?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Well Gordon etc

I am not an economist but , like most Finance ministers, according to friends of mine both in France and the US , he was doing pretty much as were theirs

Presumably he felt that in times of ' growth' that the implications of borrowing were not so radical.
Let's be hosest... did you predict the sub-prime mortgage catastrophe thatdominoed across the world banking sector ????

Ah, the gift of hindsight !!!!!!!!!!!!

No I did not. But I do recall saying repeatedly to my wife that we were not providing for a rainy day and that as sure as eggs were eggs that day would come. I also repeatedly told her that Brown was drunk on power and that he was ruining all the good work that Tony Blair had done making the Labour party electable again. I also said over and over that there was no possibilty that Labour would win the last election having alienated Middle England. And (whilst in no way a reflection of my powers of prediction) I also repeatedly told her that Brown was a ****.

All in all I think I did ok at seeing into the future and I didn't need to phone a friend in France or the U.S.

had a drink have we

You sir, are quite the debater.