Tell me to get/not get a Mac

[BlueSam]

I would hate to have that massive big glowing apple logo on the back of my laptop.

I would go asus too in future and even though they get really bad reps my last acer laptop is a hardy old thing, it has murdered the HP for life but the HP was literally the worst thing I have ever bought.

I also like freedom so I always go for linux for my stuff and Windows for work software.

Also I hate Steve Jobs more than anyone and everyone else should as well.

PS whoever said it is right, it is all about taking care of your computer, the amount of people I see who can't even do basic maintenance and then whinge their computer takes 17 years to load. I guess macs are good for lazy people.

 

[Skashion]

Also I hate Steve Jobs more than anyone and everyone else should as well.

I'll go fucking toe to toe with you in a Steve Jobs hate contest.

 

[pauldominic]

Very solid and nice looking like the MAC but with a superior OS in my opinion in Windows 7.

Not sure if serious....

Windows 7, as much of an improvement as it is, is still a world away from OSX

I'd agree with that.

Microsoft seem to a good release followed by a bad.

'95 - bad
'98 - good
Millennium Edition - absolute bloody disaster
XP - excellent
Vista - not far behind ME
7 - good.

-- Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:41 pm --

If you're not a creative person in any way, then you don't need a Mac.

They're for designers, photographers and musicians. And that's the way we like them :)

If you want a MacBook, that's 3 other laptops you could have bought for the same money.

Surely applications like Sibelius are for more important than the operating system.<br /><br />-- Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:43 pm --<br /><br />

I would hate to have that massive big glowing apple logo on the back of my laptop.

I would go asus too in future and even though they get really bad reps my last acer laptop is a hardy old thing, it has murdered the HP for life but the HP was literally the worst thing I have ever bought.

I also like freedom so I always go for linux for my stuff and Windows for work software.

Also I hate Steve Jobs more than anyone and everyone else should as well.

PS whoever said it is right, it is all about taking care of your computer, the amount of people I see who can't even do basic maintenance and then whinge their computer takes 17 years to load. I guess macs are good for lazy people.

Fair point.

 

[GStar]

The real value, therefore, comes from exploiting idiotic Apple fanboys.

I know it's a routine stereotype to roll out, and whilst its probably more common with iphone/ipad users, who want one just to fit in or look cool, i'm not sure there's as many with Mac's that do the same.

If some has money to spend and enjoys using a Mac, are they an idiot for buying one? They'll enjoy using it more and it won't affect their bank balance.

It doesn't matter what you spend on something if you can afford it, you'll soon forget about the money and be more bothered about what ever you're left with.

Anyway, i thought i had a point when i started typing, now i'm not so sure!

 

[Skashion]

The real value, therefore, comes from exploiting idiotic Apple fanboys.

I know it's a routine stereotype to roll out, and whilst its probably more common with iphone/ipad users, who want one just to fit in or look cool, i'm not sure there's as many with Mac's that do the same.

If some has money to spend and enjoys using a Mac, are they an idiot for buying one? They'll enjoy using it more and it won't affect their bank balance.

It doesn't matter what you spend on something if you can afford it, you'll soon forget about the money and be more bothered about what ever you're left with.

Anyway, i thought i had a point when i started typing, now i'm not so sure!

If your love for Macs leads you to overpay for second-hand Macs, yes, you're a fanboy idiot, as can be illustrated by people who economically buy new Macs every year. In pure economic terms, take my £200 depreciation as a given, and that a Mac will last exactly five years as a given. You spend £1000 on a Mac. You sell it on after a year at a loss of £200 and buy a new £1000 Mac. At the end of five years, the person has spent £2000 in total but has a new Mac which will last another five years. They've had a better computer every year. On top of that, as they've only ever had new Macs they're covered by warranty. There's a 0% chance of loss on investment if it's a manufacturing defect. Ok, you're the person who spends £800 on a Mac that'll last four years and then for £800 which will last four years for £1600 total. Overall, pro-rata they've spent the same amount of money per year (£200) but the guy at the top has had a new Mac every year. So, if you're buying a one year old Mac and you're paying 80% plus the original value, you're getting ripped off. It's not that uncommon. As I say, I actually know someone who sells their Mac every year taking a 20% hit or less and fair play to him. If I had a Mac I'd do exactly the same.

As someone else said, a Mac owner no less, it doesn't happen with PCs, they take a bigger drop in value which does make it worthwhile buying second-hand. I think the annual rate is a little bit above 30%. Is it wrong that I tell people looking to sell Macs on and get the most value out of them by selling on the lucrative second-hand market? People who are buying second-hand have made their choice. If they overpay, I've no sympathy.

 

[pauldominic]

The real value, therefore, comes from exploiting idiotic Apple fanboys.

I know it's a routine stereotype to roll out, and whilst its probably more common with iphone/ipad users, who want one just to fit in or look cool, i'm not sure there's as many with Mac's that do the same.

If some has money to spend and enjoys using a Mac, are they an idiot for buying one? They'll enjoy using it more and it won't affect their bank balance.

It doesn't matter what you spend on something if you can afford it, you'll soon forget about the money and be more bothered about what ever you're left with.

Anyway, i thought i had a point when i started typing, now i'm not so sure!

If your love for Macs leads you to overpay for second-hand Macs, yes, you're a fanboy idiot, as can be illustrated by people who economically buy new Macs every year. In pure economic terms, take my £200 depreciation as a given, and that a Mac will last exactly five years as a given. You spend £1000 on a Mac. You sell it on after a year at a loss of £200 and buy a new £1000 Mac. At the end of five years, the person has spent £2000 in total but has a new Mac which will last another five years. They've had a better computer every year. On top of that, as they've only ever had new Macs they're covered by warranty. There's a 0% chance of loss on investment if it's a manufacturing defect. Ok, you're the person who spends £800 on a Mac that'll last four years and then for £800 which will last four years for £1600 total. Overall, pro-rata they've spent the same amount of money per year (£200) but the guy at the top has had a new Mac every year. So, if you're buying a one year old Mac and you're paying 80% plus the original value, you're getting ripped off. It's not that uncommon. As I say, I actually know someone who sells their Mac every year taking a 20% hit or less and fair play to him. If I had a Mac I'd do exactly the same.

As someone else said, a Mac owner no less, it doesn't happen with PCs, they take a bigger drop in value which does make it worthwhile buying second-hand. I think the annual rate is a little bit above 30%. Is it wrong that I tell people looking to sell Macs on and get the most value out of them by selling on the lucrative second-hand market? People who are buying second-hand have made their choice. If they overpay, I've no sympathy.

Agreed Skashion.

Any IT is now a thorough commodity and all you're paying for is the marketed reputation such as Apple, Sony, Acer etc.

My guess is that they're all built in China.

In terms of music, sibelius is awesome.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.sibelius.com/home/index_flash.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.sibelius.com/home/index_flash.html</a>

 

[GStar]

The real value, therefore, comes from exploiting idiotic Apple fanboys.

I know it's a routine stereotype to roll out, and whilst its probably more common with iphone/ipad users, who want one just to fit in or look cool, i'm not sure there's as many with Mac's that do the same.

If some has money to spend and enjoys using a Mac, are they an idiot for buying one? They'll enjoy using it more and it won't affect their bank balance.

It doesn't matter what you spend on something if you can afford it, you'll soon forget about the money and be more bothered about what ever you're left with.

Anyway, i thought i had a point when i started typing, now i'm not so sure!

If your love for Macs leads you to overpay for second-hand Macs, yes, you're a fanboy idiot, as can be illustrated by people who economically buy new Macs every year. In pure economic terms, take my £200 depreciation as a given, and that a Mac will last exactly five years as a given. You spend £1000 on a Mac. You sell it on after a year at a loss of £200 and buy a new £1000 Mac. At the end of five years, the person has spent £2000 in total but has a new Mac which will last another five years. They've had a better computer every year. On top of that, as they've only ever had new Macs they're covered by warranty. There's a 0% chance of loss on investment if it's a manufacturing defect. Ok, you're the person who spends £800 on a Mac that'll last four years and then for £800 which will last four years for £1600 total. Overall, pro-rata they've spent the same amount of money per year (£200) but the guy at the top has had a new Mac every year. So, if you're buying a one year old Mac and you're paying 80% plus the original value, you're getting ripped off. It's not that uncommon. As I say, I actually know someone who sells their Mac every year taking a 20% hit or less and fair play to him. If I had a Mac I'd do exactly the same.

As someone else said, a Mac owner no less, it doesn't happen with PCs, they take a bigger drop in value which does make it worthwhile buying second-hand. I think the annual rate is a little bit above 30%. Is it wrong that I tell people looking to sell Macs on and get the most value out of them by selling on the lucrative second-hand market? People who are buying second-hand have made their choice. If they overpay, I've no sympathy.

I didn't realise you were talking about buying 2nd hand... my fault for not reading the thread properly.

The guy you mention, does the money he lays out every year affect him? If not he's paying £200 to feel good without any knock on effects. Surely not a problem, if on the other hand he scraps up all year and sacrifices other parts of his life, then yea, its a bit stupid.

 

[pauldominic]

Very solid and nice looking like the MAC but with a superior OS in my opinion in Windows 7.

Not sure if serious....

Windows 7, as much of an improvement as it is, is still a world away from OSX

I'd disagree with that.

Microsoft seem to a good release followed by a bad.

'95 - bad
'98 - good
Millennium Edition - absolute bloody disaster
XP - excellent
Vista - not far behind ME
7 - good.

-- Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:41 pm --

If you're not a creative person in any way, then you don't need a Mac.

They're for designers, photographers and musicians. And that's the way we like them :)

If you want a MacBook, that's 3 other laptops you could have bought for the same money.

Surely applications like Sibelius are for more important than the operating system.

-- Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:43 pm --

I would hate to have that massive big glowing apple logo on the back of my laptop.

I would go asus too in future and even though they get really bad reps my last acer laptop is a hardy old thing, it has murdered the HP for life but the HP was literally the worst thing I have ever bought.

I also like freedom so I always go for linux for my stuff and Windows for work software.

Also I hate Steve Jobs more than anyone and everyone else should as well.

PS whoever said it is right, it is all about taking care of your computer, the amount of people I see who can't even do basic maintenance and then whinge their computer takes 17 years to load. I guess macs are good for lazy people.

Fair point.

 

[Skashion]

The guy you mention, does the money he lays out every year affect him? If not he's paying £200 to feel good without any knock on effects. Surely not a problem, if on the other hand he scraps up all year and sacrifices other parts of his life, then yea, its a bit stupid.

I don't understand the point. You either pay a grand five years later or pay £200 a year for five years. Which is the greater strain on finances? Basically, this guy is getting a new Mac every year for no economic loss and getting four years free warranty (Apple charges £200 for the second and third year and will not cover you for years four and five I believe). If you're confident you'll be buying a Mac as your next computer regardless of circumstances, in terms of value, if you can get 80% on a year old Mac, sell and buy a new one. The only reason not to is; a) you don't know how to transfer your files and programs effectively; b) you're so rich, you don't care about the above benefits. If you want a new Mac you can buy one and throw the old one off a bridge, and if it fails one day after the warranty expires, so what.

 

[GStar]

The guy you mention, does the money he lays out every year affect him? If not he's paying £200 to feel good without any knock on effects. Surely not a problem, if on the other hand he scraps up all year and sacrifices other parts of his life, then yea, its a bit stupid.

I don't understand the point. You either pay a grand five years later or pay £200 a year for five years. Which is the greater strain on finances? Basically, this guy is getting a new Mac every year for no economic loss and getting four years free warranty (Apple charges £200 for the second and third year and will not cover you for years four and five I believe). If you're confident you'll be buying a Mac as your next computer regardless of circumstances, in terms of value, if you can get 80% on a year old Mac, sell and buy a new one. The only reason not to is; a) you don't know how to transfer your files and programs effectively; b) you're so rich, you don't care about the above benefits. If you want a new Mac you can buy one and throw the old one off a bridge, and if it fails one day after the warranty expires, so what.

It wasn't a particularly poignant point, i was just saying that price/value is usually the major factor behind labelling someone an '(idiot) Apple fanboy'. But if the money is no object to them, they just buy it because they like to use it, then that point of view falls apart.

They might still be idiots mind...