Tevez thinking about retirement again?

[Newman Noggs]

To be fair to Bumbles and his ilk, they've had the decency to acknowledge that they have bought the title themselves and have changed the argument to whether or not the money is "self-generated". If it makes them happy, let them have it, but when you've won a two-team league 18 times and put yourself right up there with Rangers and Celtic, you're bound to be a bit cut up when the competition increases.

And £7.5m for an unknown ? No wonder there's no value in the market !

 

[Soulboy]

You do talk such ill-educated, ill-informed nonsense... to such an extent I would assume you are a rag who doesn't remember the old days before football was created in 1992?
United were the best supported club PRIOR to the 1992 intorduction of the PL...to argue otherwise is silly ...the link proves it <a class="postlink" href="http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm</a>
In 1992, the rags carved up football between themselves and what would become the big 4... they created working arangements and TV deals that directly improved their fortunes at the expense of the rest of the league.

yet more ill inofrmed BS...it was a COLLECTIVE agreement with first division teams ..all TV money shared equally...as for thsi gem about top 4 ..Chelsea werent a " top 4 " club then ...villa were , leeds were..your theory is puddled

They set in motion a self-generating process whereby the money came to the "big" clubs (and remember that City at the time were going through a dodgy period but have traditionally been one of the top 4 supported clubs in this country for the last couple of decades....... No you werent , see the link above



and WE would have been one of the favoured few had we been in at the beginning...), meaning that with the increased revenues, it bought success, which brought in more revenue, which brought in more success...

And then to top it up they went public, raised several millions, the float raised less than 15m ...60% went to the edwards family , the rest went on a new roof for the stretford end , and to pay for all seater after the taylor reeport


bought the best players (on huge wages) and realised more success... which brought in the European money,
which enabled them to break the British transfer record a dozen times... to buy more success...

Why do you think you are so popular? Because you win things. Why do you win things? Becvause you have more money than anyone else.


we were the most poular when we went down to the second division..we were the msot poular despite not winning the league for 26 years...again both these FACTS, contradict your point
Why do you have more money? Because private investors backed the club when you hardly had two pennies to rub together.

See how it works?

And you drag out the old chestnut.."the fans paid for it"... when they didn't.

The FA rebuilt you stadium for the 1966 World Cup... the FA LENT united £11,000 ...the club paid back £16,000 in 1969

the financial investors paid for all Ferguson's signings in the early 90's... See my point above about the PLC FACTS


and if they'd relied on the fans paying, the crowds you were getting in the late 80's/early 90's of around 36,000 would certainly not have paid for it!


Again the link I provided shows you to be incorrect.. the stadium had a lower capacity , but it was almost always 100% full

We are only getting our piece of the action in the same way you got it in the early 90's.

Grow up and accept it rather than bleating like some bloated spoilt half wit.

There are soo many holes in these myths I am going to enjoy ripping into it ..so here goes
...my points are above in red ( of course)

-- Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:55 am --

come on Soulboy ...jsut because I have blown your idea of how life is in your blue world..and shattered your myths about United dont be upset...accept it , let the truth be your friend...


dont sulk , I will be gentle next time ..I know you are probably feeling a little upset at the facts dispelling your misguided view of the world and your beleif systme has been challenged.

Against my better judgement I will respond to you. I didn't previously as I didn't want to spend the day going back and forth on numerous nit picking arguments. If I wanted to spend the day arguing with a rag on a messageboard I would go on a rag site... just a thought, eh?

But your arguments are flawed are deeply skewed. The big 4 where you mention Leeds and Villa shows that you are clueless to the history of the time. It was a Big 5 and consisted of the rags, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal and Spurs. Leeds are Villa were nowhere near the top table.

The changes in TV and entrance money arrangments directly benefitted your club far more than any other and you are deluded if you think otherwise.

The G14 then kicked in, and as the rags were dominating England though their financial muscle, they joined forces with all the other greedy bastards of Europe to ensure that there was a near enough monopoly of all the big money going to a select few clubs.

Things clicked into place, the rags took advantage of them, and fair do's to them, they screwed it for all its worth and have seen the success roll in because of it.

But, like I say, we could argue about nit-picking points all day (and seriously... I could!), but let's just leave it with an analogy for you to consider.

Your next door neighbour, never been on the salary you were on, never had the holidays you had, or the house was never quite as big, and the car in your driveway was a BMW and his was an Astra... you always think you're a bit superior to him, but you're gently condescending with him and just see him as a bit of a noisy neighbour.

Life is good. There is balance to the world.

Then, what do you know... the lucky fucker goes and wins the lottery!

Suddenly his extension dominates the street, he's got a Merc, Porsche and Range Rover in the driveway, all the kids are in designer gear, he's holidaying in the Mauritius Isles...

Are you happy for him? Are you pleased that he's had a bit of good fortunme and his life is so much better now?

Or are you one of those miserable whining jealous fuckers who hates anyone getting on in life, despises his good fortune, let's the fact that he now looks down on you as something that eats away at you...?

Think about it.

You're on a City board the day before the season starts whining and you come across as pathetic. Just suck it up mate, some have to work for their rewards, others get it handed to them. That's life. It's not always fair, but you have to accept it. We got lucky, just like you once did. Ha-fuckin-ha.

 

[bumbles]

To be fair to Bumbles and his ilk, they've had the decency to acknowledge that they have bought the title themselves and have changed the argument to whether or not the money is "self-generated". If it makes them happy, let them have it, but when you've won a two-team league 18 times and put yourself right up there with Rangers and Celtic, you're bound to be a bit cut up when the competition increases.

And £7.5m for an unknown ? No wonder there's no value in the market !

same as 12million for an unknown ...or 32m for a brazilain superstar?


and in the last 20years we have had leeds, blackburn, chelsea, liverpool arsenal ...not two teams then?<br /><br />-- Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:02 pm --<br /><br />

There are soo many holes in these myths I am going to enjoy ripping into it ..so here goes
...my points are above in red ( of course)

-- Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:55 am --

come on Soulboy ...jsut because I have blown your idea of how life is in your blue world..and shattered your myths about United dont be upset...accept it , let the truth be your friend...


dont sulk , I will be gentle next time ..I know you are probably feeling a little upset at the facts dispelling your misguided view of the world and your beleif systme has been challenged.

Against my better judgement I will respond to you. I didn't previously as I didn't want to spend the day going back and forth on numerous nit picking arguments. If I wanted to spend the day arguing with a rag on a messageboard I would go on a rag site... just a thought, eh?

But your arguments are flawed are deeply skewed. The big 4 where you mention Leeds and Villa shows that you are clueless to the history of the time. It was a Big 5 and consisted of the rags, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal and Spurs. Leeds are Villa were nowhere near the top table.

The changes in TV and entrance money arrangments directly benefitted your club far more than any other and you are deluded if you think otherwise.

The G14 then kicked in, Disbanded years ago) and as the rags were dominating England though their financial muscle, Through fans turning up , fans buying merchandise, fans buying Sky , the common denominator being FANS , not a sugar dady they joined forces with all the other greedy bastards of Europe to ensure that there was a near enough monopoly of all the big money going to a select few clubs.

Things clicked into place, the rags took advantage of them, and fair do's to them, they screwed it for all its worth and have seen the success roll in because of it.

But, like I say, we could argue about nit-picking points all day (and seriously... I could!), but let's just leave it with an analogy for you to consider.

Your next door neighbour, never been on the salary you were on, never had the holidays you had, or the house was never quite as big, and the car in your driveway was a BMW and his was an Astra... you always think you're a bit superior to him, but you're gently condescending with him and just see him as a bit of a noisy neighbour.

Life is good. There is balance to the world.

Then, what do you know... the lucky fucker goes and wins the lottery!

Suddenly his extension dominates the street, he's got a Merc, Porsche and Range Rover in the driveway, all the kids are in designer gear, he's holidaying in the Mauritius Isles...

So more Michael carroll than Michael Caine?

Are you happy for him? Are you pleased that he's had a bit of good fortunme and his life is so much better now?

Or are you one of those miserable whining jealous fuckers who hates anyone getting on in life, despises his good fortune, let's the fact that he now looks down on you as something that eats away at you...?

Think about it.

You're on a City board the day before the season starts whining and you come across as pathetic. Just suck it up mate, some have to work for their rewards, others get it handed to them. That's life. It's not always fair, but you have to accept it. We got lucky, just like you once did. Ha-fuckin-ha.

I see you didnt dispute the links I gave you...the ones that highlighted the BS in your original myths...but since you cant be arsed replying I wont expect a response...cheerio

 

[Damocles]

despite the higehst wages ...it appears that City is not a happy club..
Tevez
Adebayor
Hart
Given
bellamy
ned
and these are the only ones speaking openly to th press about the disharmony...who else is sitting there keeping schtum but feeling disallusioned with " the project"

I'm sick of your shit. You're banned, rag.

To make things perfectly clear, opposition fans are welcomed here and invited to give their opinions on all things City. If your opinion is that everything that this club does is shit, and that all of our players are mercenary wankers, we'd invite you to share it elsewhere. If you hate everything about us and are looking for a place to slag us off as a club, as a team and as fans, don't bother registering.
We don't even mind if you come along to post a certain gripe with a particular issue. The problem however, starts when you come to consistently troll our forums, say outlandish stuff and get away with it because the mods don't want to appear to be too harsh.

Over the past few months I've been watching bumbles, he has a consistent MO. He will come along, post the most outlandish arguments that a child could see through, then when he has generated enough rage/sparked off an argument between us, he'll retire gracefully into the background.

Now he can retire gracefully to somewhere else

 

[NantwichBlue]

thats a different club ...my point is ..you want to be as big or bigger than United...your owners, the manager, the players , Mancini have all said it...you want the succcess we have had, you want ot the size of support we have , even in a perverse way your supporters want to be as hated as united so it build s a seige mentality

It's a valid point though, for all your success they decided to walk away, why?

What has the arbs got in common with manchester ...the same as the glazers
what has your incoming players got in common with your club apart form the money ...at least our success has been built on some players having a love of the club ..same with teh manager, the coaches( yours included)

We're owned by an Arab he's called Sheikh Mansour, and i'll take him over Manc Peter Swales any day of the week.

These players who love the club would have walked away, if you hadn't paid them the going rate (wages).

Of course your manager loves the club; two Irishmen and Rock of Gibraltar saw to that. He knows which side his bread is buttered, and it's certainly isn't with utd fans.

 

[bluebandits]

despite the higehst wages ...it appears that City is not a happy club..
Tevez
Adebayor
Hart
Given
bellamy
ned
and these are the only ones speaking openly to th press about the disharmony...who else is sitting there keeping schtum but feeling disallusioned with " the project"

I'm sick of your shit. You're banned, rag.

To make things perfectly clear, opposition fans are welcomed here and invited to give their opinions on all things City. If your opinion is that everything that this club does is shit, and that all of our players are mercenary wankers, we'd invite you to share it elsewhere. If you hate everything about us and are looking for a place to slag us off as a club, as a team and as fans, don't bother registering.
We don't even mind if you come along to post a certain gripe with a particular issue. The problem however, starts when you come to consistently troll our forums, say outlandish stuff and get away with it because the mods don't want to appear to be too harsh.

Over the past few months I've been watching bumbles, he has a consistent MO. He will come along, post the most outlandish arguments that a child could see through, then when he has generated enough rage/sparked off an argument between us, he'll retire gracefully into the background.

Now he can retire gracefully to somewhere else

Well done that man. Had a go woth him upstairs earlier on. He epitomises everything I hate about those scumbags,cant bear the thought of anyone else having a bit of success