Thats it were in the bottom 3 :(

bluespana said:
Fours years of relative success doesn't make you a clueless muppet overnight but believe what you want to believe. Every manager goes through trials and tribulations and I don't think he's had adequate time to put his stamp on a team of his players.

Juan de Ramos was the ''greatest'' manager in the world last year when he won a trophy with Spurs. He didn't become useless overnight. Who knows how much of Tot'ham's problems were the players' fault or the manager's fault. Time will prove the wiser.

well there's no way of telling is there? and agreed time wil prove the wiser. and agreed- maybe he hasn't had adequate time to put his stamp on the side. but every manager who takes over a new club is in the same position but i don't see each newly managered club stuggling. he should have adequate enough skills to manage what he has inherited before he puts his own stamp on a team of his players- therefore buying himself that time he needs to make the team his own.
instead what he has done is fail to do that, and therefore he has cost himself precious time. so he hasn't managed the players effectivley nor has he managed his time. nor has he managed to keep us away from our dreaded drop zone.

he's not very good at managing then, imo.
 
maineroad68 said:
bluespana said:
Fours years of relative success doesn't make you a clueless muppet overnight but believe what you want to believe. Every manager goes through trials and tribulations and I don't think he's had adequate time to put his stamp on a team of his players.

Juan de Ramos was the ''greatest'' manager in the world last year when he won a trophy with Spurs. He didn't become useless overnight. Who knows how much of Tot'ham's problems were the players' fault or the manager's fault. Time will prove the wiser.

well there's no way of telling is there? and agreed time wil prove the wiser. and agreed- maybe he hasn't had adequate time to put his stamp on the side. but every manager who takes over a new club is in the same position but i don't see each newly managered club stuggling. he should have adequate enough skills to manage what he has inherited before he puts his own stamp on a team of his players- therefore buying himself that time he needs to make the team his own.
instead what he has done is fail to do that, and therefore he has cost himself precious time. so he hasn't managed the players effectivley nor has he managed his time. nor has he managed to keep us away from our dreaded drop zone.

he's not very good at managing then, imo.

Because a few new managers get a few wins doesn't mean anything, imho. We have to think long term and over the long term Mark Hughes has been successful. Roy Keane performed miracles when he arrived at Sunderland, now he's back to being a useless twat. Keegan was useless the first 10 games back at Newcastle, then he played us. De Ramos is the greatest thing sliced bread, then the cause of problems, now world class at Real Madrid. Rijkaard: useless, European champs, useless again. Schuster: league champs, now he's useless.

Martin O'Neill's a good example. I've always admired his exploits at Leicester and wanted him at City. A few on here said he was useless and could prove it by us beating Villa and Villa's mediocrity. Now that it seems the cream is rising to the top.

Very few clubs have the finances to be patient. We have the finances, so I think we should give the manager some time to get things in place. If after a season, he proves lacking, sign someone else up with more experience. Even, in the worst case, if we go down, we have dosh to spend. I'll go on record and say we won't go down and we'll end up about tenth which is nothing to write home about.
 
bluespana said:
maineroad68 said:
well there's no way of telling is there? and agreed time wil prove the wiser. and agreed- maybe he hasn't had adequate time to put his stamp on the side. but every manager who takes over a new club is in the same position but i don't see each newly managered club stuggling. he should have adequate enough skills to manage what he has inherited before he puts his own stamp on a team of his players- therefore buying himself that time he needs to make the team his own.
instead what he has done is fail to do that, and therefore he has cost himself precious time. so he hasn't managed the players effectivley nor has he managed his time. nor has he managed to keep us away from our dreaded drop zone.

he's not very good at managing then, imo.

Because a few new managers get a few wins doesn't mean anything, imho. We have to think long term and over the long term Mark Hughes has been successful. Roy Keane performed miracles when he arrived at Sunderland, now he's back to being a useless twat. Keegan was useless the first 10 games back at Newcastle, then he played us. De Ramos is the greatest thing sliced bread, then the cause of problems, now world class at Real Madrid. Rijkaard: useless, European champs, useless again. Schuster: league champs, now he's useless.

Martin O'Neill's a good example. I've always admired his exploits at Leicester and wanted him at City. A few on here said he was useless and could prove it by us beating Villa and Villa's mediocrity. Now that it seems the cream is rising to the top.

Very few clubs have the finances to be patient. We have the finances, so I think we should give the manager some time to get things in place. If after a season, he proves lacking, sign someone else up with more experience. Even, in the worst case, if we go down, we have dosh to spend. I'll go on record and say we won't go down and we'll end up about tenth which is nothing to write home about.

well if nothing else it's nice to have a measured intelligent discussion with someone who's opinions differ to mine without it resorting to abusive bile being poured! the idiots must be sleeping off their hangovers or can't get out of their cots.(don't go calling me a knobhead now and ruin the illusion !).

i'm not stupid enough to think we were going to get given all this money and suddenly become a top 4 team- based partly on the fact that for half the season we haven't been ablw to benefit from this money, and partly on the belief that it does take time to build a winning team.

yes, we are in a lucky position to have the finances- but it would be nice to use them to attract top players as opposed to petentially having to buy our way out of trouble.

tenth, certainly now, would be acceptable for me. 6th/7th would be what i would expect over the next 2 seasons (along with some silverware- be happy with the league cup for now).

i share your views on martin o'neill. i think he's a fantastic manger who has plied his trade in the lower leagues and worked his way up and just got on with it. villa are lucky to have him as i'd love him at City.
for me, it is my gut instinct that Hughes is not the man to take us forward. that's just how i feel. i would happily be proven wrong.
 
try to find a team in the history of the premiership who has 30+ goals by late december and they are in the relegation zone....City finds new ways to amaze me....we are a very creative club
 
Knight1979 said:
try to find a team in the history of the premiership who has 30+ goals by late december and they are in the relegation zone....City finds new ways to amaze me....we are a very creative club
wait til they're playing in the championship when they have billions of pounds in their coffers and kaka and messi on the books.

i jest- and in no way wish for this- just finding a new way for them to amaze you :)
 
bluespana said:
Fours years of relative success doesn't make you a clueless muppet overnight but believe what you want to believe. Every manager goes through trials and tribulations and I don't think he's had adequate time to put his stamp on a team of his players.

Juan de Ramos was the ''greatest'' manager in the world last year when he won a trophy with Spurs. He didn't become useless overnight. Who knows how much of Tot'ham's problems were the players' fault or the manager's fault. Time will prove the wiser.

Re your Ramos comment - who knows, but one things for sure, Spurs fans wish they had got rid of him sooner.

For me our league position (dire though it is) and the way we have been playing (similarly dire) is not the most worrying thing.

What worries me more is that unless all the rumours are wrong (and there's enough of a consistent theme for that to be highly unlikely) Hughes has single handedly managed to piss off more or less the entire team and driven them into delivering these dire performances.

It may well be that some of our lads don't like his style nor methods and maybe many of them will have to go. But I don't want to be supporting Blackburn Rovers in sky blue shirts.

I want to see attractive, passing football with players running into space with pace and movement. I want players like Elano to be a part of my team. I don't want a manager who complete fucks everybody off and then brings in Craig Bellamy.

I have posted before saying if we lose today I expect Hughes to be gone, but reflecting on it more, I think his saving grace will be that AUDG don't know too much about football and have publicly stated the need for stability, long term view, etc etc. So I suspect he will survive and we will probably end up finishing the season with MH still in charge and place maybe 15th.

For me the nightmare scenario is that they keep him for the 09/10 season as well. God I hope not. Don't get me wrong - MH is not a useless turd. But he is *definitely* not the manager to take us where we want to be. He'd be great at Stoke, Wigan, West Brom etc with limited budget and a more in-yer-face style of football that I do not want.
 

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