The Album Review Club - Week #146 - (page 1935) - Ocean Rain - Echo and the Bunnymen

Do they not play chords, melodies?

You constrain music between way too narrow confines. You can be irritated by a style or delivery, not like the weight or sound, lyrics, tone, whatever. And I get it, I have been fairly open to that side of it on this one.

But arguing it abandaons principles of music, comes across as lacking either fundamental understanding of music, or language. And we know that's just not true. I get you are trying to be passionate about how much you dislike it, but don't cross into basic ignorance.
to be fair mate, its more considered than some of the 'its shite' reviews. Rob doesn't have a habit of being provocative and certainly not ignorant. We have all faced reviews of our submissions that we don't agree with or like but the ability to say exactly what we think without it creating a fire storm is why this thread is so successful. Bloody hell, I'm still scarred for life re the Kate Bush = Barry Manilow comparison but have put that well behind me .........


(he says tearing himself away from the bunker in which he daily plots how to find Foggy's whereabouts. In the last year or so I have pinpointed his likely abode to somewhere in California. He can run but he can't hide :-))

Anyhow, this isn't me warming up to write a similar review of Idles mate. I have a soft spot for your upbeat taste in music.
 
to be fair mate, its more considered than some of the 'its shite' reviews. Rob doesn't have a habit of being provocative and certainly not ignorant. We have all faced reviews of our submissions that we don't agree with or like but the ability to say exactly what we think without it creating a fire storm is why this thread is so successful. Bloody hell, I'm still scarred for life re the Kate Bush = Barry Manilow comparison but have put that well behind me .........


(he says tearing himself away from the bunker in which he daily plots how to find Foggy's whereabouts. In the last year or so I have pinpointed his likely abode to somewhere in California. He can run but he can't hide :-))

Anyhow, this isn't me warming up to write a similar review of Idles mate. I have a soft spot for your upbeat taste in music.

You are 100% right and I know that. And as I said before, it is pretty obvious Rob had given it a real run.

It was a bad line to use, let's leave it at that. I get the sentiment, it is fair, it was the expression itself that was the issue and that I challenged. I don't think I was that harsh myself, and the focus was clearly the line, not the poster. All good.
 
Interestingly, those discussions in that bonus week were decisive in tipping me over to nominate this album.

I had wanted to, for ages, because I love it. But avoided it because I knew many here wouldn't. Those chats then meant there was plenty there to get into even if not liked. Which is partly why I was eagerly anticipating hearing @FogBlueInSanFran 's take here, having already laid the groundwork.

Fyi, he really did lose his daughter June. And his mother did have a stroke, and he did have a car crash etc. It is not 'marketing'.

I believe they use it, or at least have, for the best part of their existsnce as a band, as their own form of therapy through expression.

It happens to sell though, as you note. Doubt anywhere near as much as Radiohead, but enough to get noticed.

Partly, because the music is good (it is btw, polarising or not, the quality is undeniable and that is why it is rated). Partly as you said before, because it is 'different'. Although, you will know from some of the stuff I put on the playlist threads, different is not something I lack or crave, and is the least of my considerations here.

But mostly, I think it has found an audience because it resonates with a lot of people. Particularly dare I say it, middle aged and over men.

NOT in the sense they relate to their experiences as such. But more that they relate to the process. The 'healing' process that is, accepthing things, talking openly about them, displaying their vulnerability and wearing their heart on their sleeves.

That is what I think people aim for when they get past the singing style or noise of it. And the younger audiences are in it for the style, the intensity and the raw power of it, perhaps. It is clever in that way, you are right there. How deliberately intentional or consequently resultant that is, possibly too early to say.

Edit, will add, there are big parallels for me between them and Frightened Rabbit. Not musically as such, other than in the fact they both turned their back on convention and used music as a vehicle in their own way that suited them.

But in the relatability and resonating, they both hit the same nerves, strike the same chords (mentally and emotionally). The big difference is, FR tap into quite broad experiences in a looser way where audiences genuinely connect with their own experiences. Whereas Idles do the opposite, their themes are very specific and individual. Yet they connect in a similar way, through second or third hand understanding or appreciation of the effort.
I must admit I thought about FR when you proposed this. Both bands that make music to exorcise their demons/grief. I will keep my powder dry until I have listened more.
 
Well it is all about taste and it’s not the fact that it is faux.

Very true. I maybe misunderstood, I thought it was the 'mockney' aspect that people didn't like.

I hadn't really given it that much thought until people started mentioning it. There's clearly an element of theatricality in his vocal delivery but I really like that aspect. He does faintly odd things like elongate vowels in weird places like he's experimenting with the sound his voice can make. But none of that seems to detract from the fact that he means it, so for me you get this weird mix of sounding affected and yet totally authentic at the same time which I find quite compelling. If you really commit to what you do it doesn't necessarily make it good but it clears the first hurdle of avoiding sounding bland. The Chris de Burgh that I put on earlier was in tune, sensibly phrased and reasonably melodic but it could easily have been an accountant singing a P&L statement out loud.
 
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I saw the Kings Singers in the early 80's. Birthday pressie for my mum.

Chris de Burgh
Bublé
The Kings Singers

I'm pretty sure I can "top" all of those in terms of disgraceful music outings. Despite the massive mitigation I can claim in my defence it's probably so bad that I'd risk a permaban from this thread if I actually confessed.
 

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