The Album Review Club - Week #194 (page 1303) - Ants From Up There - Black Country, New Road

Interested in what your picks that you are wrestling with are, so please do make a note that when your turn comes round, you reveal them after you commit to one.

The two other albums I might have ended up going with in a similar vein were Seeds by Domkraft (if you think the clues for this were bad, fuck knows what I'd have done there) and The Devil and the Almighty Blues' self titled album (easy clues, the two manc badges). In case you fancy some extra curricular activity in your own time, which is ultimately what this thread is imo about any given week.

Will do, was reasonably settled but definitely going to change now. One good aspect of that is I had absolutely no chance of coming up with solvable clues which after my last clue debacle would not have been great.

Already had a listen to those two, quite like the sludgier elements of the Domkraft but The Devil and the Almighty Blues is definitely more in my wheelhouse, a slightly dark groove and a little bit of soulful melodrama. If there was such a thing as Delta Doom Blues they would be it.
 
First listen.
Well my overall impression is, quite listenable, but why does it have any particularly new rock name.
I was getting kind of lost in the same rhythms up until about the 5th song, The Rumble and the Weight followed by We are the Pawns and Oh my Bones.
It picked up but still seemed lacking something.
I’ve no difficulty playing this, but I can’t quite put my finger on what I like or why I find it lacking also.

I’ll reserve judgement for a few more listens.
Oh no! Not something Missing! ;)

Well whatever it is I hope you find it over the next two listens.

Unlike Bono.
(Who still hasn't found, what he's looking for)
 
Unlike Bono.
(Who still hasn't found, what he's looking for)
That would be a great angle on album reviews. Always quoting a classic lyric or title in your review.

"Listening to this latest effort from the obscure Belgian jazz trio, and reading the rave reviews from my fellow columnists, I can't help feeling like Bono in that I still haven't found what I'm looking for."
 
That would be a great angle on album reviews. Always quoting a classic lyric or title in your review.

"Listening to this latest effort from the obscure Belgian jazz trio, and reading the rave reviews from my fellow columnists, I can't help feeling like Bono in that I still haven't found what I'm looking for."

Not sure what percentage of @Black&White&BlueMoon Town posts do that, but it ain't zero.
 
That would be a great angle on album reviews. Always quoting a classic lyric or title in your review.

"Listening to this latest effort from the obscure Belgian jazz trio, and reading the rave reviews from my fellow columnists, I can't help feeling like Bono in that I still haven't found what I'm looking for."
I might make an effort with that.

Food analogies are so 2024!
 
I think I've listened to Hear the Rivers by Greenleaf for more than the required 3 listens. I'd cautiously suggest 5 times but unfortunately it's hard to tell as the album congealed into a single mass warping time and space around itself until you find yourself communing with a goat. But not in a good way. Maybe this is a symptom of its genre but as @Coatigan didn't want to get bogged down in a genre discussion I'm finding I have little to say.

I think the band have made the album they wanted to make and they are under no obligation to make am album that I'd like. But sometimes in the absence of something I like it is nice to have something to hate a little. Greenleaf give me neither - like the herbage their name maybe represents it put me in a motivationless unfeeling stupor. Last weeks pop record was edgier than this.

In a different time and place I'd probably have enjoyed this more but in this time and place most of the songs remind me the kind of music youtube creators use as intro's. Particularly the first song Let It Out with it's outrageously cheerful bap bab bap bap bap bap bap rhythm. Other songs feel like their written for a tv show when one of the characters goes to an edgy bar to speak to a drug dealer. Greenleaf are in the corner giving the scene some flavour like Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes but even less edgy.

The lack of edge I think is a symptom of the cultural appropriation of rock by the media elite. I've complained about this a lot recently, particularly on the Ben Folds review, so I won't go over old ground except to say that Greenleaf seem to be willing saboteurs of their own authenticity. See for example their video for Different Horses where lead singer Arvid Hällagård shills for McDonalds and Google. I don't blame them for that and I actually enjoyed the video BUT it is so very commercial and safe and modern. I expect at their gigs they encourage people to support bat charities rather than biting their heads off.

To be clear I wouldn't support people biting bat heads off either and perhaps my disinterest is largely because I'm disinterested in the rock star aesthetic. So I guess it's me and not them.

The initial listens were spent begging for them to turn it up. The music felt like it was being played in a room next door. However after a couple of listens I've now decided it actually sounds much better than I first thought and although it's mixed and recorded in a way to smear everything together it's done well enough to hear all the distinct parts. Although I wasn't super in love with the treatments done on the main vocal I did appreciate how it sat in the mix. You just need to dial in to what they are doing (the bass isn't really interested in filling in the low end and the toms sound like dead snares) but once you do attune there is some stuff to appreciate but not really enough for me. And it all sounds the same.

I listen to a lot of stuff that sounds bad. My favourite song on the album, The River Lullaby, has Hällagård sounding a little like Nathan Willett from Cold War Kids. They've made some albums that sound bad and I gave the Strokes a 9 so the tone of this album isn't super off putting BUT it does lack any kind of dynamic range. I have the musical taste of a toddler. I like the quiet bits to be quiet and the loud bits to be loud. Hear the Rivers largely flatlines which again to me reinforces that this is great music to be used on commercials or tv shows.

I neither hate this or love it. I'm unmoved in any direction. I will hear variations of this every time I watch a youtube video from a middle aged american being aggressively polite and positive. Classic 5 territory
 
I think I've listened to Hear the Rivers by Greenleaf for more than the required 3 listens. I'd cautiously suggest 5 times but unfortunately it's hard to tell as the album congealed into a single mass warping time and space around itself until you find yourself communing with a goat. But not in a good way. Maybe this is a symptom of its genre but as @Coatigan didn't want to get bogged down in a genre discussion I'm finding I have little to say.

I think the band have made the album they wanted to make and they are under no obligation to make am album that I'd like. But sometimes in the absence of something I like it is nice to have something to hate a little. Greenleaf give me neither - like the herbage their name maybe represents it put me in a motivationless unfeeling stupor. Last weeks pop record was edgier than this.

In a different time and place I'd probably have enjoyed this more but in this time and place most of the songs remind me the kind of music youtube creators use as intro's. Particularly the first song Let It Out with it's outrageously cheerful bap bab bap bap bap bap bap rhythm. Other songs feel like their written for a tv show when one of the characters goes to an edgy bar to speak to a drug dealer. Greenleaf are in the corner giving the scene some flavour like Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes but even less edgy.

The lack of edge I think is a symptom of the cultural appropriation of rock by the media elite. I've complained about this a lot recently, particularly on the Ben Folds review, so I won't go over old ground except to say that Greenleaf seem to be willing saboteurs of their own authenticity. See for example their video for Different Horses where lead singer Arvid Hällagård shills for McDonalds and Google. I don't blame them for that and I actually enjoyed the video BUT it is so very commercial and safe and modern. I expect at their gigs they encourage people to support bat charities rather than biting their heads off.

To be clear I wouldn't support people biting bat heads off either and perhaps my disinterest is largely because I'm disinterested in the rock star aesthetic. So I guess it's me and not them.

The initial listens were spent begging for them to turn it up. The music felt like it was being played in a room next door. However after a couple of listens I've now decided it actually sounds much better than I first thought and although it's mixed and recorded in a way to smear everything together it's done well enough to hear all the distinct parts. Although I wasn't super in love with the treatments done on the main vocal I did appreciate how it sat in the mix. You just need to dial in to what they are doing (the bass isn't really interested in filling in the low end and the toms sound like dead snares) but once you do attune there is some stuff to appreciate but not really enough for me. And it all sounds the same.

I listen to a lot of stuff that sounds bad. My favourite song on the album, The River Lullaby, has Hällagård sounding a little like Nathan Willett from Cold War Kids. They've made some albums that sound bad and I gave the Strokes a 9 so the tone of this album isn't super off putting BUT it does lack any kind of dynamic range. I have the musical taste of a toddler. I like the quiet bits to be quiet and the loud bits to be loud. Hear the Rivers largely flatlines which again to me reinforces that this is great music to be used on commercials or tv shows.

I neither hate this or love it. I'm unmoved in any direction. I will hear variations of this every time I watch a youtube video from a middle aged american being aggressively polite and positive. Classic 5 territory
Or in terms of song lyrics..
'Just like the cardboard that covers, the missing panes and cracks in our bedroom windows - should have known it wouldn't keep out the cold it was not enough'
 
Hear the Rivers.....Greenleaf.
Never heard anything by Greenleaf before so this was a great surprise.
Nothing new but a great rock record from start to finish
Let it out..Sweet is the sound...gets it off to a perfect start and what follows is pretty pretty good.
As i said nothing new sounding but really well done album.
Nothing fancy just a band i enjoyed for what it is.
Posted early so i can listen to more in the coming days but sadly i was looking for a live album of theirs but it looks like they have not released one. 8/10.
 
Hear the Rivers.....Greenleaf.
Never heard anything by Greenleaf before so this was a great surprise.
Nothing new but a great rock record from start to finish
Let it out..Sweet is the sound...gets it off to a perfect start and what follows is pretty pretty good.
As i said nothing new sounding but really well done album.
Nothing fancy just a band i enjoyed for what it is.
Posted early so i can listen to more in the coming days but sadly i was looking for a live album of theirs but it looks like they have not released one. 8/10.
Kind of pretty much in line with how I put it in my write-up
'Sometimes you like a band and an album because they are unique, or have a sound, or mean something at the right time, or connect on a level. And sometimes, you simply like something, because you just do. This is one of those for me.'

Not everything needs to be new or different or special. Sometimes good enough is enough.
 
Great pick @Coatigan not a band I’d heard anything of until this week. Definite Qotsa vibes but much heavier (to my ears). Getting distinct feelings for another singer, but I’m keeping my powder dry on that one, because it might be my pick next week. Loving this!!!!!
 
Great pick @Coatigan not a band I’d heard anything of until this week. Definite Qotsa vibes but much heavier (to my ears). Getting distinct feelings for another singer, but I’m keeping my powder dry on that one, because it might be my pick next week. Loving this!!!!!

I could be factitious and say which of the 27 flavours of QOTSA are you comparing it too but that sounds like I'm slagging them off when I actually think it's a virtue.

As well as listening to this I've been flicking back and forth on my own next pick options and what strikes me is that qotsa are the archetype for this little corner of the rock world in that whilst there's a general label that gets applied there's lots of variety both within the bands output and across bands. I'm sure that's true of other genres but a few days pondering the stoner/desert world really does drive home the variety and richness in that broad church.

That said if you're going in this space too then I might need to chuck my plans and revert back to some big girls blouse music for my pick!
 
I could be factitious and say which of the 27 flavours of QOTSA are you comparing it too but that sounds like I'm slagging them off when I actually think it's a virtue.

As well as listening to this I've been flicking back and forth on my own next pick options and what strikes me is that qotsa are the archetype for this little corner of the rock world in that whilst there's a general label that gets applied there's lots of variety both within the bands output and across bands. I'm sure that's true of other genres but a few days pondering the stoner/desert world really does drive home the variety and richness in that broad church.

That said if you're going in this space too then I might need to chuck my plans and revert back to some big girls blouse music for my pick!
I was just referring to a general Qotsa feel tbh - not sure I’m qualified to pick up on a particular flavour :) Someone mentioned Dan Auerbach early on but I’m not picking that one up.

I think my pick is more of a nod in the general direction - the vocalist I’m going with has particularly strong vibes on The Rivers Lullaby from this weeks nomination - my favourite track so far
 
I think I've listened to Hear the Rivers by Greenleaf for more than the required 3 listens. I'd cautiously suggest 5 times but unfortunately it's hard to tell as the album congealed into a single mass warping time and space around itself until you find yourself communing with a goat. But not in a good way. Maybe this is a symptom of its genre but as @Coatigan didn't want to get bogged down in a genre discussion I'm finding I have little to say.

I think the band have made the album they wanted to make and they are under no obligation to make am album that I'd like. But sometimes in the absence of something I like it is nice to have something to hate a little. Greenleaf give me neither - like the herbage their name maybe represents it put me in a motivationless unfeeling stupor. Last weeks pop record was edgier than this.

In a different time and place I'd probably have enjoyed this more but in this time and place most of the songs remind me the kind of music youtube creators use as intro's. Particularly the first song Let It Out with it's outrageously cheerful bap bab bap bap bap bap bap rhythm. Other songs feel like their written for a tv show when one of the characters goes to an edgy bar to speak to a drug dealer. Greenleaf are in the corner giving the scene some flavour like Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes but even less edgy.

The lack of edge I think is a symptom of the cultural appropriation of rock by the media elite. I've complained about this a lot recently, particularly on the Ben Folds review, so I won't go over old ground except to say that Greenleaf seem to be willing saboteurs of their own authenticity. See for example their video for Different Horses where lead singer Arvid Hällagård shills for McDonalds and Google. I don't blame them for that and I actually enjoyed the video BUT it is so very commercial and safe and modern. I expect at their gigs they encourage people to support bat charities rather than biting their heads off.

To be clear I wouldn't support people biting bat heads off either and perhaps my disinterest is largely because I'm disinterested in the rock star aesthetic. So I guess it's me and not them.

The initial listens were spent begging for them to turn it up. The music felt like it was being played in a room next door. However after a couple of listens I've now decided it actually sounds much better than I first thought and although it's mixed and recorded in a way to smear everything together it's done well enough to hear all the distinct parts. Although I wasn't super in love with the treatments done on the main vocal I did appreciate how it sat in the mix. You just need to dial in to what they are doing (the bass isn't really interested in filling in the low end and the toms sound like dead snares) but once you do attune there is some stuff to appreciate but not really enough for me. And it all sounds the same.

I listen to a lot of stuff that sounds bad. My favourite song on the album, The River Lullaby, has Hällagård sounding a little like Nathan Willett from Cold War Kids. They've made some albums that sound bad and I gave the Strokes a 9 so the tone of this album isn't super off putting BUT it does lack any kind of dynamic range. I have the musical taste of a toddler. I like the quiet bits to be quiet and the loud bits to be loud. Hear the Rivers largely flatlines which again to me reinforces that this is great music to be used on commercials or tv shows.

I neither hate this or love it. I'm unmoved in any direction. I will hear variations of this every time I watch a youtube video from a middle aged american being aggressively polite and positive. Classic 5 territory
For two albums in a row now,….
What he said^^^^^*
Only this time around, not only do I agree but on only the second listen, I’m leaning towards the same conclusions.
First off Coats, these strike me as a very good outfit. I never heard of the genre but whatever nit is, I find it constrictive to the band. I researched them a bit and essentially they are a three piece that seemed to regularly change their vocalist.

Like MrBelfry said the vocals aren’t bad but they seem to be put through a blender with much of the lead guitar work and a homogenous blandness seems to course through song after song.

Individually I find much to really appreciate in all these songs and on second listen I was enjoying the first half more than on first listen. I like the slight change of direction in the middle but it heads back into an overall beige rock sound(there’s a new genre for you).

I really think there is much to really like with this band. I hear so much potential. I like the guitar breaks as they eventually come out of the mashed overproduction that MrBelfry hinted at.
But I find conforming to whatever this formula is, really holding them back.

I’d love some clarity in the riffs and I’d love an Ian Gillan type, let her rip vocal now and then.

It kind of reminds me why I never progressed from heavy rock into heavy metal on to thrash metal and god knows what other variants afterwards.
I find the constraints too restricting.
There are some smashing songs from various bands on each category but listening to nothing but that becomes monotonous.

I do think seeing these live at the front of a mosh pit is probably the way to experience them.
I think I’m probably past that though.
 
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Great pick @Coatigan not a band I’d heard anything of until this week. Definite Qotsa vibes but much heavier (to my ears). Getting distinct feelings for another singer, but I’m keeping my powder dry on that one, because it might be my pick next week. Loving this!!!!!
I think I might know who you could mean. But that still leaves it with 4 different potential bands/artists to guess from for your next pick. If I am right ;).
 
For two albums in a row now,….
What he said^^^^^*
Only this time around, not only do I agree but on only the second listen, I’m leaning towards the same conclusions.
First off Coats, these strike me as a very good outfit. I never heard of the genre but whatever nit is, I find it constrictive to the band. I researched them a bit and essentially they are a three piece that seemed to regularly change their vocalist.

Like MrBelfry said the vocals aren’t bad but they seem to be put through a blender with much of the lead guitar work and a homogenous blandness seems to course through song after song.

Individually I find much to really appreciate in all these songs and on second listen I was enjoying the first half more than on first listen. I like the slight change of direction in the middle but it heads back into an overall beige rock sound(there’s a new genre for you).

I really think there is much to really like with this band. I hear so much potential. I like the guitar breaks as they eventually come out of the mashed overproduction that MrBelfry hinted at.
But I find conforming to whatever this formula is, really holding them back.

I’d love some clarity in the riffs and I’d love an Ian Gillan type, let her rip vocal now and then.

It kind of reminds me why I never progressed from heavy rock into heavy metal on to thrash metal and god knows what other variants afterwards.
I find the constraints too restricting.
There are some smashing songs from various bands on each category but listening to nothing but that becomes monotonous.

I do think seeing these live at the front of a mosh pit is probably the way to experience them.
I think I’m probably past that though.
Kind of, although they did then stick with one (this one) singer since 2007 till now. Cross-polination seems to be a bit of an inevitable trait of the genre though.

I get what you (and belf) are saying. In some ways this type and genre does lend itself better to 'greatest hits' compilations.

I think there is more there to reach personally, but I do get the bit of haze there too. Guess they don't call it stoner rock for no reason.
 
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