The Album Review Club - Week #195 (page 1310) - A New World Record - ELO

On a brief initial listen I'm getting a bit of The National and Death Cab For Cutie.
This is a good thing and I noticed on a read up that Aaron Dessner of The National produced one of their albums
Sweet vindication?

I would expect this to be up your and hammer's street. Journo's too probably.

Not Robs or Bimbo's maybe, but can't have it all.

While it does sound like quite a few indie albums, mostly since, worth imagining this when it came out. Also worth looking up a few videos, particularly acoustic versions, they are very capable and confident musicians. And there is a mood here, if one can find the right frequency within themselves, it resonates damn well.
 
On a brief initial listen I'm getting a bit of The National and Death Cab For Cutie.
This is a good thing and I noticed on a read up that Aaron Dessner of The National produced one of their albums
There we go, less known than the more popular fare, but comes from the same tree. That's a good 2 for 2 in my book too. I know you've heard most bands out there including ones from the Playlist, so this can't be "new for you"?

Sweet vindication?

I would expect this to be up your and hammer's street. Journo's too probably.
I was thinking those same things as well.
Not Robs or Bimbo's maybe, but can't have it all.
I still have some hope there, and in my defense I keep trying on at least one in particular. ;-)

While it does sound like quite a few indie albums, mostly since, worth imagining this when it came out.
That point cannot be understated given its timeframe 15 years ago.

Also worth looking up a few videos, particularly acoustic versions, they are very capable and confident musicians. And there is a mood here, if one can find the right frequency within themselves, it resonates damn well.
Was not surprised at all to initially learn you were also a fan being already one of Frightened Rabbit and The Maccabees. Hard to leave one of those bands out of those similar veins with high quality vocals to match the mood and emotion.
 
This is a good thing and I noticed on a read up that Aaron Dessner of The National produced one of their albums
And just to add that was after Local Natives opened up for The National and they became friends on the tour and Dessner agreed to produce their second album Hummingbird, Coatigan's favourite, and a close 2nd in my book.
 
There we go, less known than the more popular fare, but comes from the same tree. That's a good 2 for 2 in my book too. I know you've heard most bands out there including ones from the Playlist, so this can't be "new for you"?


I was thinking those same things as well.

I still have some hope there, and in my defense I keep trying on at least one in particular. ;-)


That point cannot be understated given its timeframe 15 years ago.


Was not surprised at all to initially learn you were also a fan being already one of Frightened Rabbit and The Maccabees. Hard to leave one of those bands out of those similar veins with high quality vocals to match the mood and emotion.
No new to me. Sometimes things just slip through the net. This may be one I listen to the debut then listen to the latest which I believe was last year to see the progression.
I will say as far as the indie part of this I don't hear to my ears.
I am more of an old school UK indie type tbh
 
No new to me. Sometimes things just slip through the net. This may be one I listen to the debut then listen to the latest which I believe was last year to see the progression.
I'm going to be honest on their latest two albums... I didn't like them on the whole as much as their earlier ones in their first four releases.

Kelcey Ayer announced before the latest tour that he was leaving the band, and I'm not sure if the more laid back and mellower approach was part of that within the band or something else.

I will say I'm very curious on where the band will go from here on their next album, with Ryan being a bigger part of the sound than I think he's been on recent releases. Kelcey gave him a lot of kudos on the tour the night I saw them on being a big, but underappreciated and unrecognized part of the band, so I'll be curious both where it takes their sound and vocals going forward.

I will say as far as the indie part of this I don't hear to my ears.
I am more of an old school UK indie type tbh
Agreed on that, and enjoying the Rock Evolution gems we're getting there, years before I know your 80's sweet spot is coming up.
 
Nope, just you do you! ;-) Never fails...
First listen done and it's reminding me a bunch of some stuff I like so hopefully this is a grower even if initially I feel some songs are longer than they need to be.

Not reading in the lyrics anything that immediately fires my imagination - I fear you've been victim to my unfounded reputation. You always strike me as being more attuned to lyrics. I'm much dumber and nothing here is obviously monumentally stupid enough for me to notice :) and there is nothing immediately inspiring a review except a list of bands I think they have similarities to.

World News has me initially intrigued as it feels like it's referring to a real event but unless I'm missing something obvious it's about a guy who should probably treat his mum better but as his brother's just been blown up I have confused sympathies

Edit; I think I've misunderstood the song here and his brother hasnt been blown up but I like if better if he had otherwise it's a little twee song about how traffic jams aren't the worse thing ever

Fourth listen of this and I've probably given it a bit too much credit because you put me under pressure :)

Fifth listen - this was initially a strong contender for favourite song on the album but now Ive talked myself into believing it's a bit vacuous and I'm disappointed suddenly
 
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First listen done and it's reminding me a bunch of some stuff I like so hopefully this is a grower even if initially I feel some songs are longer than they need to be.

Not reading in the lyrics anything that immediately fires my imagination - I fear you've been victim to my unfounded reputation. You always strike me as being more attuned to lyrics. I'm much dumber and nothing here is obviously monumentally stupid enough for me to notice :) and there is nothing immediately inspiring a review except a list of bands I think they have similarities to.

World News has me initially intrigued as it feels like it's referring to a real event but unless I'm missing something obvious it's about a guy who should probably treat his mum better but as his brother's just been blown up I have confused sympathies

Edit; I think I've misunderstood the song here and his brother hasnt been blown up but I like if better if he had otherwise it's a little twee song about how traffic jams aren't the worse thing ever
It's about daily life and the mundane and the things that shouldn't probably get us worked up as much as they sometimes do.

I wasn't thinking of that song for you, but run with it if you want. I mostly reflect there on how some of my phone conversations with my Mom before she passed would have gone better and what I could have done to have been more like the song, but that's just me.

And I'll instead listen to local radio or my album review, history of rock playlists over "World News" these days, but that's also for my own sanity.

Fourth listen of this and I've probably given it a bit too much credit because you put me under pressure :)
I'm going to just put it out there, I thought of you when I heard:

All the men of faith and men of science had their questions
Could it ever be on earth as it is in heaven?


I like how all the music except the bass has ceased at that part right before it hits the guitars right afterwards. That effect to me is a "pause and take notice moment". Probably just a me thing. And.. oh to see it with my own eyes.
 
No new to me. Sometimes things just slip through the net. This may be one I listen to the debut then listen to the latest which I believe was last year to see the progression.
I will say as far as the indie part of this I don't hear to my ears.
I am more of an old school UK indie type tbh
Agree not indie as I know it as such but that's maybe the difference between UK and US indie. Shades of Fleet Foxes and Arcade Fire to me, two bands I can take or leave really. Hopefully more concentrated listening will lead it closer to the National
 
It's about daily life and the mundane and the things that shouldn't probably get us worked up as much as they sometimes do.

I wasn't thinking of that song for you, but run with it if you want. I mostly reflect there on how some of my phone conversations with my Mom before she passed would have gone better and what I could have done to have been more like the song, but that's just me.

And I'll instead listen to local radio or my album review, history of rock playlists over "World News" these days, but that's also for my own sanity.


I'm going to just put it out there, I thought of you when I heard:

All the men of faith and men of science had their questions
Could it ever be on earth as it is in heaven?


I like how all the music except the bass has ceased at that part right before it hits the guitars right afterwards. That effect to me is a "pause and take notice moment". Probably just a me thing. And.. oh to see it with my own eyes.
Ah ok I think I discounted Wide Eyes because you already said what it was about :) I think I only tend to talk about lyrics when I think they are stupid. This is what I mean about you being attuned to the lyrics - you have much nicer things to say about them.


This album has nothing that immediately struck me as stupid. I think if I was smarter that line you mentioned would have stood out and i could talk about the sheen of spirituality that's on the album which in my quicky determined opinion is typical California/Oprah new age. However I think the album is kind of unassuming in that respect and isn't overtly pushing a worldview so would be unfair to pick on that just because I'm more of a touch the wounds of Jesus person.

How that line hits in that song is I think as you described it and is a nice moment and I think this is where I'm probably going to land on this album. It has some nice enough moments but there is something preventing me from embracing it fully
 
Agree not indie as I know it as such but that's maybe the difference between UK and US indie. Shades of Fleet Foxes and Arcade Fire to me, two bands I can take or leave really. Hopefully more concentrated listening will lead it closer to the National
I was initially thinking my review might be a bit of an exploration of how American Indie and British Indie feels different but I'm not sure I'm knowledgeable enough to articulate it. What do you think are the main differences? I think this does sound a little British at times to be honest but not sure what I mean by that
 
I have given them your direct feedback!


You have as Coatigan noted.

Sorry that was something of a joke to myself. The deputy head of the primary school I went to was a proud Northumbrian so despite the relative (for the UK!) distance we'd have school school trips to that part of the world. It was in part the reason I went to university in Newcastle. More unusually than these days, lots of people from the region stayed and studied there so I made friends with people from the surrounding areas. I won't bore you with why (in affectionate jest) mocking Morpeth is funny to me but it's a lovely part of the world.

Lot's preoccupying me currently so might struggle to give this the attention it deserves but we'll see.
 
Agree not indie as I know it as such but that's maybe the difference between UK and US indie. Shades of Fleet Foxes and Arcade Fire to me, two bands I can take or leave really. Hopefully more concentrated listening will lead it closer to the National
If I was to draw comparisons to bands I think you like, it wood be Woods.
 
Been so busy forgot to comment on the last album, by Gerry Rafferty.

I would have given it a 7. One of those albums I have often thought of buying but never did, until now - got a 2nd hand copy on order.

It’s a nice album (nice in a good way) elevated by one absolute classic track. All very listenable, which is why I am finally adding it to my collection.
 
I was initially thinking my review might be a bit of an exploration of how American Indie and British Indie feels different but I'm not sure I'm knowledgeable enough to articulate it. What do you think are the main differences? I think this does sound a little British at times to be honest but not sure what I mean by that
It's a good question and made me think that British and American are just too broad as categories. When I think classic indie I'm thinking jangly guitars and the Smiths but then that can apply to bands like Aztec Camera going way back, early REM and a host of New Zealand bands that came out of the Dunedin sound. So it's more about style than geography.

I have another "sub genre" of indie which basically includes the National, Tindersticks and Elbow and for want of a better description these bands maybe bridge the gap between indie and rock. Or maybe not.

If I was to draw comparisons to bands I think you like, it wood be Woods.
And listening to Local Natives while I mentioned Fleet Foxes and Arcade Fire (a band I could never take to) last night you're absolutley right, in it's better moments it had me thinking of Woods (and wanting to listen to them instead). Throw in Other Lives, maybe Midlake as well as what could very loosely be described as folk indie. Or indie folk. But then that is a subspecies of human.
 
It's a good question and made me think that British and American are just too broad as categories. When I think classic indie I'm thinking jangly guitars and the Smiths but then that can apply to bands like Aztec Camera going way back, early REM and a host of New Zealand bands that came out of the Dunedin sound. So it's more about style than geography.

I have another "sub genre" of indie which basically includes the National, Tindersticks and Elbow and for want of a better description these bands maybe bridge the gap between indie and rock. Or maybe not.


And listening to Local Natives while I mentioned Fleet Foxes and Arcade Fire (a band I could never take to) last night you're absolutley right, in it's better moments it had me thinking of Woods (and wanting to listen to them instead). Throw in Other Lives, maybe Midlake as well as what could very loosely be described as folk indie. Or indie folk. But then that is a subspecies of human.
Sweet vindication.. in some ways ;)
 
It's a good question and made me think that British and American are just too broad as categories. When I think classic indie I'm thinking jangly guitars and the Smiths but then that can apply to bands like Aztec Camera going way back, early REM and a host of New Zealand bands that came out of the Dunedin sound. So it's more about style than geography.

I have another "sub genre" of indie which basically includes the National, Tindersticks and Elbow and for want of a better description these bands maybe bridge the gap between indie and rock. Or maybe not.


And listening to Local Natives while I mentioned Fleet Foxes and Arcade Fire (a band I could never take to) last night you're absolutley right, in it's better moments it had me thinking of Woods (and wanting to listen to them instead). Throw in Other Lives, maybe Midlake as well as what could very loosely be described as folk indie. Or indie folk. But then that is a subspecies of human.
Remember when 'alternative' or 'alt-rock' was a genre for anything that didn't quite fit a specific category? In some ways, that's what seems to have happened to Indie now.
 

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