Onholiday(somemightsay)
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Yeh to be fair, you can't knock the Boss pedals.
They're probably the most robust part of any gig entourage............ :-)
The Album Review Club - Week #195 (page 1310) - A New World Record - ELO
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They're probably the most robust part of any gig entourage............ :-)
Onholiday(somemightsay)
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Fucking hell - was she only 19 when she wrote this!?!
I see a general hammering from Bimbo as a badge of honour - just heightens the experience............ :-)
Onholiday(somemightsay)
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Im in awe of wordsmith wizardry.......... :-)
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She's never been my cup of tea but they play a live acoustic version of 'head over feet' on xfm chilled and it's fantastic, certainly changed my view of her a bit.
Onholiday(somemightsay)
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Top song that - was about to post the same BH...........
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Who was the support then ?
I saw him on the tele recently and the main thing I noticed was in the space of three songs he used a jaguar, a strat and a jazzmaster so I did wonder if his surname was actually a stagename but seemingly not!
I'll give that a go. Given there is time in the week yet, if I don't now might never.
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CMAT and Olivia Dean, didn’t see them.
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CMAT done well on the playlist thread on here. Wonder if the song Vincent Kompany is part of her live set?
Black&White&BlueMoon Town
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Wayne Gretzky can attest to that, right? Maybe not the best, but the one of the once "great ones", at least on the ice.
and what the heck is going on with this thread? 15 pages covering threesomes, questionable Canadian showers, Foggy's mystery best track, REM historically ranked (pretty spot on, I'd say), maybe 4 legit reviews (I think?), Kate Bush, Dave Grohl, Rob considering breaking up the band, Bimbo's dinner parties.... that will certainly teach me to watch the French Open and TST over listening to this album, which I certainly plan to by Wed. I've put it off for 30 years, what's a few more days, right? Besides, I know most of the 1973 songs this side of an OB1 curveball.
I'll give Alanis Morissette credit for one thing, I didn't see the volume of pages chatter coming this week of all weeks.
FogBlueInSanFran
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Mate — the club footy season is over (except for this wretched CWC thing). The diversions off topic across nearly every thread (footy-oriented or no) is a common occurrence this time of year :)
Black&White&BlueMoon Town
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You live, you learn...
More of an surprised observation than anything else. And yes, I get it on the diversions. I've had plenty...
Good thing my next selection is right before the actual season!
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3rd listen and all the same problems are there.
It’s me. I find her hard to follow. She loses me in the screeching but I acknowledge that this is a significant album. That it contains some really deep subject matter but gets it across in a very accessible catchy way. You Oughta know being prime example.
It creates pop that you just couldn’t see the likes of today.
It’s good. And I’m going to concentrate on the positives.
Hand in my pocket, would probably be my favourite of the popular singles stuff.
These are generally all instantly recognisable as her. You couldn’t mistake her voice even with the stuff you don’t know.
I do think that there is merit in the 90’s lack of over production but I do feel this album could be elevated further with an interest generated by the musicianship if allowed to express themselves. If there were focal points, solos or whatever you want to call them.
This is a very good album I feel, that has somehow been contained within her insular control.
It’s her album. She has every right to express it any which way she likes. She was very young. I think with an experienced arm around her shoulder or supportive backup or whatever, this could be better.
Or perhaps it would just be more to my taste, and that wasn’t her aim.
All fair enough.
It’s me. I find her hard to follow. She loses me in the screeching but I acknowledge that this is a significant album. That it contains some really deep subject matter but gets it across in a very accessible catchy way. You Oughta know being prime example.
It creates pop that you just couldn’t see the likes of today.
It’s good. And I’m going to concentrate on the positives.
Hand in my pocket, would probably be my favourite of the popular singles stuff.
These are generally all instantly recognisable as her. You couldn’t mistake her voice even with the stuff you don’t know.
I do think that there is merit in the 90’s lack of over production but I do feel this album could be elevated further with an interest generated by the musicianship if allowed to express themselves. If there were focal points, solos or whatever you want to call them.
This is a very good album I feel, that has somehow been contained within her insular control.
It’s her album. She has every right to express it any which way she likes. She was very young. I think with an experienced arm around her shoulder or supportive backup or whatever, this could be better.
Or perhaps it would just be more to my taste, and that wasn’t her aim.
All fair enough.
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Jagged Little Pill - Alanis Morissette
Well, if am going to give an official review, I might as well make it on the 30 years to the exact day of 9 June 1995 of the album release. Seems only fitting. And I promise it will be more than a "not a fan" reply to my little sister who was enjoying this in her high school days when it was first released.
Why do we more enjoy our older sibling's music but not our younger ones? Probably another diversion topic or playlist thread for another day, but as the oldest, I've not time to even think about that now.
Anyways, why I've never given this the proper listen also got me thinking to what I was instead listening to or enjoying at that time. Plenty of alternative bands yes, and of the female singer lead, it was definitely Garbage led by the amazing Shirley Manson from Edinburgh. In fact, I went to see them in concert along with The Smashing Pumpkins the following year - what a double bill that was! I enjoyed revisiting that album too this past week to remind myself that, yes, I was right in my preference all these years later, which was good to make sure about. ;-)
I think the biggest issue I have on many of the tracks, is that while I like the music, the vocals just weren't and still aren't my thing. So, I'll group things into what I remember and found in my proper listen:
Alternative FM overplayed tracks with grating vocal delivery (but good music)
Of the remaining songs I was not familiar with:
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As an artist and the obstacles she's been through to make this and have it be so successful as it was, I'm very impressed. Musically in places, I liked this too. The vocal delivery was mixed so this album on its own is a 6/10 for me.
Well, if am going to give an official review, I might as well make it on the 30 years to the exact day of 9 June 1995 of the album release. Seems only fitting. And I promise it will be more than a "not a fan" reply to my little sister who was enjoying this in her high school days when it was first released.
Why do we more enjoy our older sibling's music but not our younger ones? Probably another diversion topic or playlist thread for another day, but as the oldest, I've not time to even think about that now.
Anyways, why I've never given this the proper listen also got me thinking to what I was instead listening to or enjoying at that time. Plenty of alternative bands yes, and of the female singer lead, it was definitely Garbage led by the amazing Shirley Manson from Edinburgh. In fact, I went to see them in concert along with The Smashing Pumpkins the following year - what a double bill that was! I enjoyed revisiting that album too this past week to remind myself that, yes, I was right in my preference all these years later, which was good to make sure about. ;-)
I think the biggest issue I have on many of the tracks, is that while I like the music, the vocals just weren't and still aren't my thing. So, I'll group things into what I remember and found in my proper listen:
Alternative FM overplayed tracks with grating vocal delivery (but good music)
- "All I Really Want" - the vocals immediately are putting me off at the end of every verse
- "You Oughta Know" - sorry mrbelfry, expecting Flea not to play to his Spinal Tap 11 standard just isn't possible, and I never liked that iteration of RHCP with Dave Navarro either
- "Hand in My Pocket" - I'm brave but I'm chickenshit, indeed...
- "Ironic" - a grating chorus, but I always liked the slower delivered verses, Ironic, huh?
- "You Learn" - not sure why, but this mellower slow down rock song was one I've always liked
- "Head Over Feet" - always enjoyed the chorus to this song, very well delivered
Of the remaining songs I was not familiar with:
- "Perfect" sounded nice musically, but again, on that chorus, those vocals... yeesh. <shudder>
- "Right Through You" sounded derivative of "You Oughta Know", vocally and musically. Mr. Man probably thinks one track of shaming was enough. Sir isn't so sure.
- "Forgiven" was probably the favourite new track I've heard this past week. Not sure why her voice sounds better on the softer whisper parts, but it does to me. Interesting to hear Morissette had her own issues with a Catholic upbringing manifested in this song, but more on that later for the surprising and perhaps even "Ironic" take on that factoid.
- "Mary Jane" a nice slow down song with a more restrained vocals in more parts that I'm learning just works better for me in appreciating her songs.
- "Not the Doctor" - geez doc, haven't we already covered this one? Jagged little pill, indeed. 1+1 may make 2, but 2 + 2 = 5.
- "Wake Up" starts off similarly in a beat musically to the "You Oughta Know" track and not surprising that it was recorded at the same music session. My guess for Foggy's favourite track, and for the most part delivers in the verses, despite the overdubbed vocals, which is the weakest part of the track. The music on this is top notch.
Alanis Morissette gets choked up learning 'unfathomable' family history on 'Finding Your Roots'
The "Ironic" singer only discovered her mother's family was Jewish in her late 20s.
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As an artist and the obstacles she's been through to make this and have it be so successful as it was, I'm very impressed. Musically in places, I liked this too. The vocal delivery was mixed so this album on its own is a 6/10 for me.
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An opportunity to recall some good times with this weeks selection.
An album with 5 "hit" singles on it is going to be decent and this one doesn't fail. It gets the head nodding and the feet tapping.
There are hooks a plenty and despite some of the content I do think that it draws you in with its energy.
I didn't know much about the recording or production of the album and I have noted some of the comments around this. Would it have been better with more time spent on it and it having been worked on more? I actually don't think it would, it was as Alanis intended it, she created it and put it out there. Almost a punk idea (with punkish singing?) its what she wants to do and that makes the whole package stand out. I think it wouldn't sound as powerful if it was tinkered with too much.
The singing is obviously the biggest issue for many on here, but then it is her, probably why it was known and liked by the majority of the wives/GFs of the FOCs of the "Album Review Club"
Clearly a great start to a career but as has been pointed out, also a millstone around her neck.
Mary Jane perhaps my fave none single track and making this an enjoyable week and the 4 listens given to this being a pleasure and not a chore.
It's a 7 from the Derry jury
An album with 5 "hit" singles on it is going to be decent and this one doesn't fail. It gets the head nodding and the feet tapping.
There are hooks a plenty and despite some of the content I do think that it draws you in with its energy.
I didn't know much about the recording or production of the album and I have noted some of the comments around this. Would it have been better with more time spent on it and it having been worked on more? I actually don't think it would, it was as Alanis intended it, she created it and put it out there. Almost a punk idea (with punkish singing?) its what she wants to do and that makes the whole package stand out. I think it wouldn't sound as powerful if it was tinkered with too much.
The singing is obviously the biggest issue for many on here, but then it is her, probably why it was known and liked by the majority of the wives/GFs of the FOCs of the "Album Review Club"
Clearly a great start to a career but as has been pointed out, also a millstone around her neck.
Mary Jane perhaps my fave none single track and making this an enjoyable week and the 4 listens given to this being a pleasure and not a chore.
It's a 7 from the Derry jury
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I’m going to shamelessly steal from @Black&White&BlueMoon Town but I’ll put his last paragraph in “ to quote him properly…
“As an artist and the obstacles she's been through to make this and have it be so successful as it was, I'm very impressed. Musically in places, I liked this too. The vocal delivery was mixed so this album on its own is a 6/10 for me.”
This sums up my feelings very succinctly. Yes the vocals are all over the place, but when not wincing, there was some good stuff, and I do like a crunchy guitar! 6/10 from me as well.
Apologies for the laziness, but I’ve had a short notice grandad emergency so that’s my excuse! Any excuse to musically influence a 6 month yo is never missed!
“As an artist and the obstacles she's been through to make this and have it be so successful as it was, I'm very impressed. Musically in places, I liked this too. The vocal delivery was mixed so this album on its own is a 6/10 for me.”
This sums up my feelings very succinctly. Yes the vocals are all over the place, but when not wincing, there was some good stuff, and I do like a crunchy guitar! 6/10 from me as well.
Apologies for the laziness, but I’ve had a short notice grandad emergency so that’s my excuse! Any excuse to musically influence a 6 month yo is never missed!
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I expected not to like this, it was almost predetermined and of course like everyone else I was familiar with a lot of it despite never once in my life consciously choosing to listen to her. First listen didn't do anything to shift that perception. It's only fair to persevere though and I have to say that even as early as the second listen it started to get under my skin and instead of being irritated by the vocal affectations I was tuning into them. So much so that the parts of songs where she seemed to be playing it straight (the beginning of Perfect for example) were the least inspiring.
Interesting to note the comparisons that have been made with the recent pick of Aimee Mann. Where I and others found her a little too polite and ladylike to affect an "attitude" Alanis has it in spades and is all the better for it. When it comes to vocal gymnastics I really shouldn't criticise considering I had nominated Aldous Harding earlier in the history of this thread, a singer who rarely affects the same voice twice. Just checked and as it happens Aldous is two places and .04 of a score behind Aimee with the same number of votes.
Alansi Morrisette's vocal tics are less varied than Aldous Harding's but then the material and subject is also more of a consistent style.
I can't deny that the hooks are, well, hooking me in a bit and this was a decent listen as I've been driving around. I put it on on Saturday during a shopping trip and felt obliged to explain to my partner that it was an obligation to listen to it although by that point is didn't feel too much of an obligation. I'm not really sure why her response was to suggest that she knew it must be the case, eihter that or I'd turned into a "big girl's blouse" whatever that means. Looks like this might have to be a guilty pleasure, either that or I play it a few times (we have got a lot of driving coming up) until it gets under her skin too.
Scoring wise what might have been a 5 based on preconceptions has gone through the gears a little bit, past six and yesterday I was edging beyond 6.5 and wondering if I could give a quarter mark. That would be silly though and would also under score it. So 7 seems reasonable despite the album tailing off towards the end, Not The Doctor and Wake Up not really settling with me as well as the rest, including of course the songs that have had plenty of years to plant their seed.
Now, Ironic. We've all agreed that what she lists is a number of things that go from mildly annoying or inconvenient to well, pretty devastating (your first ever plane trip crashing? Isn't it...). Ironically though, I think, someone will tell me if it isn't I'm sure (although the grammar and meaning police are much more active on other threads) this Saturday is my wedding day, at a venue that offers the opportuntiy, weather permitting for an outdor ceremony. If it rains I'll not be ruefully thinking it's ironic. Or will I?
It's taken 30 years and a battle with cancer (won for now) for us to decide to get married. Too late to change the song she is walking down the aisle to but we are putting a playlist together for the day. Plenty of big girl's blouse stuff already on it, ironically, but I might just sneak a bit of Alanis on as well, just to get us off on the right foot and show her who is boss!
Interesting to note the comparisons that have been made with the recent pick of Aimee Mann. Where I and others found her a little too polite and ladylike to affect an "attitude" Alanis has it in spades and is all the better for it. When it comes to vocal gymnastics I really shouldn't criticise considering I had nominated Aldous Harding earlier in the history of this thread, a singer who rarely affects the same voice twice. Just checked and as it happens Aldous is two places and .04 of a score behind Aimee with the same number of votes.
Alansi Morrisette's vocal tics are less varied than Aldous Harding's but then the material and subject is also more of a consistent style.
I can't deny that the hooks are, well, hooking me in a bit and this was a decent listen as I've been driving around. I put it on on Saturday during a shopping trip and felt obliged to explain to my partner that it was an obligation to listen to it although by that point is didn't feel too much of an obligation. I'm not really sure why her response was to suggest that she knew it must be the case, eihter that or I'd turned into a "big girl's blouse" whatever that means. Looks like this might have to be a guilty pleasure, either that or I play it a few times (we have got a lot of driving coming up) until it gets under her skin too.
Scoring wise what might have been a 5 based on preconceptions has gone through the gears a little bit, past six and yesterday I was edging beyond 6.5 and wondering if I could give a quarter mark. That would be silly though and would also under score it. So 7 seems reasonable despite the album tailing off towards the end, Not The Doctor and Wake Up not really settling with me as well as the rest, including of course the songs that have had plenty of years to plant their seed.
Now, Ironic. We've all agreed that what she lists is a number of things that go from mildly annoying or inconvenient to well, pretty devastating (your first ever plane trip crashing? Isn't it...). Ironically though, I think, someone will tell me if it isn't I'm sure (although the grammar and meaning police are much more active on other threads) this Saturday is my wedding day, at a venue that offers the opportuntiy, weather permitting for an outdor ceremony. If it rains I'll not be ruefully thinking it's ironic. Or will I?
It's taken 30 years and a battle with cancer (won for now) for us to decide to get married. Too late to change the song she is walking down the aisle to but we are putting a playlist together for the day. Plenty of big girl's blouse stuff already on it, ironically, but I might just sneak a bit of Alanis on as well, just to get us off on the right foot and show her who is boss!
RobMCFC
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Congratulations - first on your partner beating cancer and secondly on tying the knot. I hope you both have a great day on Saturday.
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Congratulations and very best wishes for non Ironic weather and a fantastic day.