The Anti Supporters Club

mancityvstoke said:
No...most of us started in the 60's some earlier
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[Redacted] Are you going to be one of those old farts who hord the season tickets and don't turn up on a cold, damp mid week, 8pm kick off because your knees can't take it?
 
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Mr Grumpy said:
Right, and you'll be dead soon and other, younger fans will want to be able to get access to your dead ticket.
Or will you be one of those old farts who hord the season tickets and don't turn up on a cold, damp mid week, 8pm kick off because your knees can't take it?
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and you're on block.....nasty get.

True colours at last.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
The bean counters at City are not idiots.

They'll have done the calculations and worked out that, assuming a certain level of success, it is more profitable to sell a smaller number individual match tickets to tourists than a larger number of season tickets, even if that means for some games they don't sell out.

They'll have also looked at the rags - over a decade of failure and they still flog absurdly expensive tickets to tourists on a weekly basis.

City are better off with a 2/3rd full stadium full of people paying £71 (plus gift shop sales etc) than a rocking full stadium full stadium of local blues paying £40 on a season ticket.

It's shit and I strongly disagree with it, and will join the protests, but that's the bottom line, which is all Soriano gives a flying fuck about.

I'll say it til I'm blue in the face but we need a Garry Cook figure in charge. Someone who balances the commercial ambitions of the club yet still understands and cares about the real fans. Cook did a brilliant job IMO.

Soriano should've been sacked years ago over the Super League fiasco. It's astonishing to me how that prick is still in a job.
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The problem with Soriano isn't that he is maximising revenue in the short-term, it is that he is risking revenue generation in the long-term for that short-term revenue.

It doesn't take a management genius to see that United are shit and that there is an opportunity to tie up the next generation of Mancunians as City fans. It would be negligent not to take advantage of that from a City viewpoint by reducing match day revenue significantly thereby requiring United to follow suit and screw themselves financially at a time they can't afford it, or not follow suit and lose the next generation of support anyway.

Not to mention the effect on other clubs. City are uniquely positioned at the moment to reduce match day income strategically. It's madness, imho, not to be doing it.

I am afraid Soriano is hanging his hat on this US-driven Disneyland / consumer nonsense. And by the time he retires, which hopefully will be soon (he is 58?) it may be too late to put it right. I reckon he will be remembered as having the easiest CEO job in the PL and fucking it up strategically.
 
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mexico1970 said:
By definition you can, if tickets are cheaper more people can afford to go. All that needs to be decided is eligibility and the ticket delivery system.
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That's a low bar isn't it considering matches sell out for the most part.
Price doesn't really hinder total attendance figures else the club wouldn't be looking to put prices up.

It is simple supply/demand.

And you are clearly omiting the season ticket holders here. You can't moan about accessability and then moan about availability. The two things are not seperate.

You can only mean match day visitors with regards to your cost/availability. How would you improve this then?

Without reducing availability (ie limiting supply to a predefined set, say the supporters club) you can't reduce costs.


It is a pipe dream.
 
Mr Grumpy said:
Bingo.
The topic is precicely about nobody else but yourselves.
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My comment was in reply to another poster and in direct relevance to a point made - that's generally how conversation occur.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.
I'm not actually sure what your issue is with not being 'included'

There are tickets available for the two remaining home games that you could if you so wished and were able to could purchase.
You haven't indicated that you will be doing (that's not a criticism by the way. I have no idea of your location or circumstances).

Therefore, those tickets will remain unsold, which will affect the atmosphere, 'matchday experience', perception of other fans of city and maybe even the performance of the players on the pitch.

You not being considered by the fan groups can't change your particular circumstances. What the fans group actions could do however is encourage city to lower prices (too late for this season) which would mean people who are more local than yourself who ant attend for financial reason then could attend and the seats are sold thus resolving all the issues raised above.

What is your aim with being considered more by fan groups?
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
With the disclaimer that yes of course Khaldoon and Mansour have masterminded a revolution in the club and we've had lots of brilliant things and I'm grateful for that (etc etc) -

I can't watch his bullshit end of year videos anymore. Same old PR waffle that means nothing at all. With Khaldoon I don't think that he doesn't care about the fans, IMO he operates at such a global strategic scale that he literally can't comprehend what life is like for ordinary fans.

Which is ok to an extent - it's his strategic vision that has brought us the success - but it's also why you hire people who can make those decisions. And it's those people that have failed in certain areas.

Again it's why I always had admiration for Cook. He was brilliant at managing upwards as well as downwards, which is a much overlooked skill in all kinds of businesses.
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Especially the night that he inducted Uwe Rosler into the Manchester United hall of fame and pretty much every fucker present, along with many who weren't, went into a complete meltdown and called for his head. Personally, I thought it was quite funny that he made that mistake!
 
mancityvstoke said:
and you're on block.....nasty get.

True colours at last.
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It's all they've got as an argument. The rest is just fluff. Narrow minded, low order thinkers blinded by bias and personal gripes from years back

Points whores, hoarders, touts, it's effectively the same thing really to them. Ironically, where this thread is concerned, the organisations they defend (club and OSC) are littered with the above

They're just nasty people who love to see a policy that fucks over the odd few they know to be taking the piss, at the expense of the vast majority
 
Damocles said:
I have always considered the OSC "our guys in the club" rather than "the club's guys within the fanbase". I know there's some blurring there but I would guess that most of the members would probably see it like that if asked too.

Either way, if OSC leadership considers themselves as working in the best interests of the club rather than the best interests of the fans when those things diverge in matters such as ticket prices then they should absolutely not be in places like City Matters.
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The OSC is working in the best interest of its members and helping the Ckub at the same time.

When the OSC has occasionally criticised the club, there hasn’t been much support from the wider fanbase. The Richard’s Masters stunt at the Prem being the exception to this
 
Chappie said:
The team expand the fanbase the OSC facilitate this and l would very much doubt it would have many members if it wasn't for the draw of match tickets.
The majority of its members probably don't attend any of their meetings or functions.
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We know that isn’t the case Chappie because OSC membership exploded at the end of the lockdown when there were no away tickets available. In fact it was the opposite.
 
Mr Grumpy said:
Right, and you'll be dead soon and other, younger fans will want to be able to get access to your dead ticket.
Or will you be one of those old farts who hord the season tickets and don't turn up on a cold, damp mid week, 8pm kick off because your knees can't take it?
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What a cuntish comment
 
M18CTID said:
Especially the night that he inducted Uwe Rosler into the Manchester United hall of fame and pretty much every fucker present, along with many who weren't, went into a complete meltdown and called for his head. Personally, I thought it was quite funny that he made that mistake!
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To be fair the Rosler family did wonders for the regeneration of Old Trafford back in the 1940s, it's nice of them to recognise it.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
The OSC is working in the best interest of its members and helping the Ckub at the same time.

When the OSC has occasionally criticised the club, there hasn’t been much suooortnfrom the wider fanbase. The Richard’s Masters stunt at the Prem being the exception to this
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But you've got lot's of OSC members on here and elsewhere saying the leadership don't act in their interest or represent their views so how can that be true.

The latest stunt calling the letter out, knee jerk at best, my view, pre-planned to undermine and reassert himself as top dog when it comes to fan representation

Your last point, as with many of your points, it's just your view based on seeing one or two people go against them. You have no data or evidence to back up anything you say. Anecdotes and made up nonsense
 
halfcenturyup said:
The problem with Soriano isn't that he is maximising revenue in the short-term, it is that he is risking revenue generation in the long-term for that short-term revenue.

It doesn't take a management genius to see that United are shit and that there is an opportunity to tie up the next generation of Mancunians as City fans. It would be negligent not to take advantage of that from a City viewpoint by reducing match day revenue significantly thereby requiring United to follow suit and screw themselves financially at a time they can't afford it, or not follow suit and lose the next generation of support anyway.

Not to mention the effect on other clubs. City are uniquely positioned at the moment to reduce match day income strategically. It's madness, imho, not to be doing it.

I am afraid Soriano is hanging his hat on this US-driven Disneyland / consumer nonsense. And by the time he retires, which hopefully will be soon (he is 58?) it may be too late to put it right. I reckon he will be remembered as having the easiest CEO job in the PL and fucking it up strategically.
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You’ve got to wonder what the long term plan with CFG is well as that appears to be haemorrhaging money for little visible gain.

I know other clubs are following suit but I don’t understand why. What is the vision?
 
117 M34 said:
My comment was in reply to another poster and in direct relevance to a point made - that's generally how conversation occur.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.
I'm not actually sure what your issue is with not being 'included'

There are tickets available for the two remaining home games that you could if you so wished and were able to could purchase.
You haven't indicated that you will be doing (that's not a criticism by the way. I have no idea of your location or circumstances).

Therefore, those tickets will remain unsold, which will affect the atmosphere, 'matchday experience', perception of other fans of city and maybe even the performance of the players on the pitch.

You not being considered by the fan groups can't change your particular circumstances. What the fans group actions could do however is encourage city to lower prices (too late for this season) which would mean people who are more local than yourself who ant attend for financial reason then could attend and the seats are sold thus resolving all the issues raised above.

What is your aim with being considered more by fan groups?
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Fair reply,

So this then means accessability isn't the issue (tickets ARE available), it is a cost issue.

Costs are driven by the club simply maximising the match day revenue as much as possible. This is done by NOT selling all seats, but by pushing up prices to a point where that tipping point doesn't fall (Think Ryanair).
All commercial enterprices do this, it's harly unfair or unexpected.
However, we are not flying to Benidorm are we, we are active players in the fortunes and activites of the club.
The issue here is simply price. I don't see this being an acessability issue. Numbers are limited. They are what they are.
Price is difficult because we look at the clubs financial success and we feel that any cost is too much. After all, the club is rolling in money.

Thus, i think it's an unsolvable problem unless the cost of tickets is standardised and regulated. I've always thought this is the only feasable (barely) solution.

Asking clubs to cap prices themselves is asking for charity and isn't ever going to work. It's a pipe dream.
Which is important because it points to this never being resolved and i want this to be resolved and not have the club dragged through the mud because of it.

I'll ask the thread again, "What do you want?"
Go see PB's response for a proper reply.
Everyone else so far is just replying with insulats, gaslighting and ad hominims. Worthless.

Figure out what is wanted, figure out what is reasonable, get a conscencus, go to the club.

But, i believe this will only ever be resolved by legislation because all City have to do is point to another club and say "Look over there".
 
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