The are we allowed the "it's quiet" thread yet? thread.

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I don't think it is a lack of believe in Pep, I think peoples issues are they have watched this group of players seriously underperform for 2 years and may be worried that as good as Pep is it would be too much of an ask to expect miracles quickly without a few more quality additions.

If we started the season with this squad I would be worried too even though I believe Pep is the best manager in the world.
 
Tom_mcfc said:
I don't think it is a lack of believe in Pep, I think peoples issues are they have watched this group of players seriously underperform for 2 years and may be worried that as good as Pep is it would be too much of an ask to expect miracles quickly without a few more quality additions.

If we started the season with this squad I would be worried too even though I believe Pep is the best manager in the world.
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Exactly,we need 3 more players that will improve our starting 11. Gundogen if fit will do that but it will take more than the likes of Stones,Nolito and Zinchenko. Guardiola is the best out there but he's no miracle worker.
 
dubblue said:
Exactly,we need 3 more players that will improve our starting 11. Gundogen if fit will do that but it will take more than the likes of Stones,Nolito and Zinchenko. Guardiola is the best out there but he's no miracle worker.
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So with Leroy Sane it would be two more players required by the end of the window, right? Sounds reasonable.
 
Tom_mcfc said:
I don't think it is a lack of believe in Pep, I think peoples issues are they have watched this group of players seriously underperform for 2 years and may be worried that as good as Pep is it would be too much of an ask to expect miracles quickly without a few more quality additions.

If we started the season with this squad I would be worried too even though I believe Pep is the best manager in the world.
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This is my point. Pep is without a doubt the world's best manager but even he'll have his hands full with these players as it is. What baffles me is how once the season ends everyone seemingly forgets a players woeful season and puts blind faith that they'll become brilliant. It happens every year with Nasri, Yaya and Kolarov.
 
City_Sean said:
This is my point. Pep is without a doubt the world's best manager but even he'll have his hands full with these players as it is. What baffles me is how once the season ends everyone seemingly forgets a players woeful season and puts blind faith that they'll become brilliant. It happens every year with Nasri, Yaya and Kolarov.
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Nasri is an odd one, he done ok when he came back but because he was out injured for so long people seemed to forget the shift/performances he would put in. I am hopeful under Pep a lot of these players up their game and improve but currently we wont be as dominant as some may think.
 
City_Sean said:
This is my point. Pep is without a doubt the world's best manager but even he'll have his hands full with these players as it is. What baffles me is how once the season ends everyone seemingly forgets a players woeful season and puts blind faith that they'll become brilliant. It happens every year with Nasri, Yaya and Kolarov.
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The problem is that quite a few City fans have forgotten how football traditionally works & have become obsessed with spending money, every year.

Bringing players through or actually improving or rehabilitating players we actually have, or building a side over more than one season, has become some kind of ridiculous notion, rather than being the traditional way most top managers actually do it.

We expect to buy a largely new team every year, yet when we actually look at the City side, it's mostly the players who the team was built around in the first place, who learned to play together, who are actually still the people we rely on. Some of them signed for not much money.

If Pep can't improve the players, or bring players through, we have completely wasted 3 years waiting for him. And if we can't give him a season to suss his players out & rebuild the squad, without shitting our pants, we don't deserve him.
 
Neville Kneville said:
The problem is that quite a few City fans have forgotten how football traditionally works & have become obsessed with spending money, every year.

Bringing players through or actually improving or rehabilitating players we actually have, or building a side over more than one season, has become some kind of ridiculous notion, rather than being the traditional way most top managers actually do it.

We expect to buy a largely new team every year, yet when we actually look at the City side, it's mostly the players who the team was built around in the first place, who learned to play together, who are actually still the people we rely on. Some of them signed for not much money.

If Pep can't improve the players, or bring players through, we have completely wasted 3 years waiting for him. And if we can't give him a season to suss his players out & rebuild the squad, without shitting our pants, we don't deserve him.
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Very well said!
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
Decent stuff Billy, but 'panic mode' is way OTT
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Maybe but you do worry to excess!

Not that I do not have some concerns about how we will cope with the physicality of the league. We do need to make changes to the squad to help Pep. I have consistently questioned the mental fortitude of the player he has inherited, who need to show the bottle and commitment to handle more physical sides; they also need technique of the highest order is they are to overcome the more aggressive sides by playing them off the park. So, however you look at it, the more changes we can make to the squad, the better.
 
Neville Kneville said:
The problem is that quite a few City fans have forgotten how football traditionally works & have become obsessed with spending money, every year.

Bringing players through or actually improving or rehabilitating players we actually have, or building a side over more than one season, has become some kind of ridiculous notion, rather than being the traditional way most top managers actually do it.

We expect to buy a largely new team every year, yet when we actually look at the City side, it's mostly the players who the team was built around in the first place, who learned to play together, who are actually still the people we rely on. Some of them signed for not much money.

If Pep can't improve the players, or bring players through, we have completely wasted 3 years waiting for him. And if we can't give him a season to suss his players out & rebuild the squad, without shitting our pants, we don't deserve him.
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Maybe he will or has sussed some of them quickly and will want to replace them.
 
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OB1 said:
Maybe he will or has sussed some of them quickly and will want to replace them.
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And if he thinks they aren't good enough then he'll replace them.

Nevilles comment was in reply to the ridiculous amount of flapping and panicking about us not having bought Kroos, Pogba and Surez yet, or people saying that buying England's most promising defender in a generation, Germany's most promising talent, a world class centre mid and a winger who'll score 15-20 per season is a bad transfer window.
 
OB1 said:
Maybe but you do worry to excess!

Not that I do not have some concerns about how we will cope with the physicality of the league. We do need to make changes to the squad to help Pep. I have consistently questioned the mental fortitude of the player he has inherited, who need to show the bottle and commitment to handle more physical sides; they also need technique of the highest order is they are to overcome the more aggressive sides by playing them off the park. So, however you look at it, the more changes we can make to the squad, the better.
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Is it though, at this stage ?

He hasn't even met half of them yet.

Of course it's necessary & exciting to sign new players. But if he can get a large percentage of the ones we have now, playing 'his way' it might actually be a lot better than relying on 8 new signings to learn it, a week before the season starts.

Several players' contracts will be running out next season, leaving spaces for more signings.

I think, with the strongly rumoured signings to come, & the kids involved, we already have an almost perfect interim squad, which he can boost & fine tune next season.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Is it though, at this stage ?

He hasn't even met half of them yet.

Of course it's necessary & exciting to sign new players. But if he can get a large percentage of the ones we have now, playing 'his way' it might actually be a lot better than relying on 8 new signings to learn it, a week before the season starts.

Several players' contracts will be running out next season, leaving spaces for more signings.

I think, with the strongly rumoured signings to come, & the kids involved, we already have an almost perfect interim squad, which he can boost & fine tune next season.
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It's been my opinion for quite some time that we'd ideally have 7 or 8 new players in our best XI for the forthcoming season. I stress ideally and accept that even if we signed the players to make that a reality, we would need time to integrate them; which could well mean persevering to begin with players that are used to playing with each other / have been through most of preseason. Whichever way you look at it, the preparation for the season cannot be ideal so when I talk about ideally, I mean in terms of squad composition.

This season is going to be very transitional, regardless of how many new players enter the first team squad but the more suited they are to the demands that Pep will make, the better.

I have no lack of faith in Pep but I do not trust a fair number of the players he has inherited. I hope I am wrong about them but I'd hate to wait and then find out that I am right.
 
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