The are we allowed the "it's quiet" thread yet? thread.

[CityStu]

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perhaps not but didn't we lose aguero first game of the season s couple of years ago. I personally feel club know they have been misguided last couple of seasons and will not take chances this time around given the level of competition now. Expect a marquee signing, not had one yet. We have plenty of money and my guess is we'll make a statement

Jesus Christ.

Even if Aguero did get a bad injury in the first few games, we'd still have a couple of weeks to find a replacement.

 

[prof-taf]

Jesus Christ.

Even if Aguero did get a bad injury in the first few games, we'd still have a couple of weeks to find a replacement.

Feel free to tell me your marquee signings, all excellent signing I grant you, but none of them are yet world class, most of them come with potential and little prem experience. Auguero is currently our only worldly, with Kevin not far behind. Personally I think we are light up top, and if we could secure another with a goal scoring record we would be unstoppable from the off.
Hand on heart you can't say that yet,

 

[S04]

@johnmc

If anyone tries to claim that bollocks again, send them this:

Madrid sold 2m shirts last year in total, the highest sales in the world. So at £60 a pop that's £120m revenue.

It costs £12 to manufacture a football shirt. Let's be prudent and estimate £5 per shirt in shipping and logistics costs. 20% VAT and 30% retailers margin.

That leaves a net profit of £21m if you sell 2m shirts. I assume adidas are going to want some kind of return for their £75m a year, so that's not all going to United, if any of it.

But lets say adidas are giving you the £75m a year just for the exposure and United keep all profits from sales. You would have to have sold 10m shirts yesterday to pay for Pogba's transfer fee. 500% more sales in one day than Madrid sold in the entirety of last year.

Well, that's a new level of brainwash if you believe that. Think for yourself.

The Adidas top brass actually explained the deal once.. Basically they expect to sell £1.5bn worth of Utd shirts during ten years, during that time Utd will get £75m annually (£750m) and Adidas will pocket the rest less costs of course.

 

[prof-taf]

The Adidas top brass actually explained the deal once.. Basically they expect to sell £1.5bn worth of Utd shirts during ten years, during that time Utd will get £75m annually (£750m) and Adidas will pocket the rest less costs of course.

Let's see what happens if 5th again, someone may come knocking from the bank

 

[CityStu]

Feel free to tell me your marquee signings, all excellent signing I grant you, but none of them are yet world class, most of them come with potential and little prem experience. Auguero is currently our only worldly, with Kevin not far behind. Personally I think we are light up top, and if we could secure another with a goal scoring record we would be unstoppable from the off.
Hand on heart you can't say that yet,

Maybe my definition of marquee is different from yours. I think that the vast majority of our signings are players that any team in the world would have welcomed into their squad. I also think that that had to be the aim this summer - to replace a lot of older, under performing players - and not necessarily to sign a huge name (who often don't turn out to be the best players).

I wouldn't mind a striker, but I hardly think we're short there. Iheanacho deserves a proper shot after his performances last season, we've signed a couple of wingers who can play up top and younger strikers can often come in if needed and get a goal or two. I'm not sure Rashford is a technically fantastic player, but he certainly did a job for United last season. No reason some of our academy players can't make a similar impact. Same for Iwobi at Arsenal - more attacking positions tend to carry a bit less pressure.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Let's see what happens if 5th again, someone may come knocking from the bank

It's widely known that there are reduced terms to the adidas deal for each year they're out of CL football, that kicks in this year, hence spunking 100m plus on pogba... Jose was right, they were the only viable option for him, not because of prestige but because of the ridiculous amounts involved. Martin Blackburn is stating today in his chip paper column that United blew city and Madrid out of the water, comical shit!!

 

[SWP's back]

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perhaps not but didn't we lose aguero first game of the season s couple of years ago. I personally feel club know they have been misguided last couple of seasons and will not take chances this time around given the level of competition now. Expect a marquee signing, not had one yet. We have plenty of money and my guess is we'll make a statement

Can you define marquee signing of £47.5m Stones and £40m Sane don't qualify?

 

[BlueMedic]

No worries mate.

I've used it on 6 rag mates already and none of them have had an answer to it.

Where's your 2m figure from? There's an article from Sky last year about how Chelsea outsold United, but even so the figures were 3m shirts sold, with Barca at the top with about 3.6m.

Your point still stands I'm just not sure the numbers are water tight.

 

[manygoose]

Feel free to tell me your marquee signings, all excellent signing I grant you, but none of them are yet world class, most of them come with potential and little prem experience. Auguero is currently our only worldly, with Kevin not far behind. Personally I think we are light up top, and if we could secure another with a goal scoring record we would be unstoppable from the off.
Hand on heart you can't say that yet,

gundogan is world class, just because its a relatively low fee doesn't take away from his ability

 

[Shaelumstash]

Where's your 2m figure from? There's an article from Sky last year about how Chelsea outsold United, but even so the figures were 3m shirts sold, with Barca at the top with about 3.6m.

Your point still stands I'm just not sure the numbers are water tight.

Yeh I remember seeing that article on Sky that said Chelsea sold more shirts than the Shite. I did some digging around to see where they'd sourced those figures from and it was some obscure blog in South America, it wasn't a credible source.

The 2m figure is just based on an average of what national news outlets have reported of Real Madrid's sales over the last few years.

 

[waspish]

@johnmc

If anyone tries to claim that bollocks again, send them this:

Madrid sold 2m shirts last year in total, the highest sales in the world. So at £60 a pop that's £120m revenue.

It costs £12 to manufacture a football shirt. Let's be prudent and estimate £5 per shirt in shipping and logistics costs. 20% VAT and 30% retailers margin.

That leaves a net profit of £21m if you sell 2m shirts. I assume adidas are going to want some kind of return for their £75m a year, so that's not all going to United, if any of it.

But lets say adidas are giving you the £75m a year just for the exposure and United keep all profits from sales. You would have to have sold 10m shirts yesterday to pay for Pogba's transfer fee. 500% more sales in one day than Madrid sold in the entirety of last year.

Well, that's a new level of brainwash if you believe that. Think for yourself.

Here's shirt sales for 2015/20016

 

[i8rags]

Here's shirt sales for 2015/20016

I'm not having any of that, Chelsea never

 

[waspish]

I'm not having any of that, Chelsea never

Thats official! And I was shocked how many chelsea sells something fishy there?!

 

[prof-taf]

Can you define marquee signing of £47.5m Stones and £40m Sane don't qualify?

For a start marquee doesn't equate to how much someone costs in today's market. Most of what we have done is creating a team with the future in mind. They are young and in the main untried. Granted I expect the plan to work but for the right here right now We don't have that player with the wow factor and experience. We were short up front last year, nothing has changed even with sane who like sterling did, will come with the fanfare but could be found wanting in the hustle and bustle of the prem league for a year or two. As a club I feel we need another tevez/Robinho moment to get us all salivating for this year. Still optimistic though

 

[Bailey]

The Adidas top brass actually explained the deal once.. Basically they expect to sell £1.5bn worth of Utd shirts during ten years, during that time Utd will get £75m annually (£750m) and Adidas will pocket the rest less costs of course.

That means that Adidas takes in an extra £80m (not that I believe that figure to be correct), and effectively costs them nothing to sponsor Utd. Or have I got that wrong ?

 

[kupest]

For a start marquee doesn't equate to how much someone costs in today's market. Most of what we have done is creating a team with the future in mind. They are young and in the main untried. Granted I expect the plan to work but for the right here right now We don't have that player with the wow factor and experience. We were short up front last year, nothing has changed even with sane who like sterling did, will come with the fanfare but could be found wanting in the hustle and bustle of the prem league for a year or two. As a club I feel we need another tevez/Robinho moment to get us all salivating for this year. Still optimistic though

Can you please tell me where the marquee striker would play? Do you expect to bench one of KDB/Aguero/Marquee player every game. You won't get many Tevez/Robinho moments because we are much bigger now and only 4-5 players would give that feeling.

 

[SWP's back]

For a start marquee doesn't equate to how much someone costs in today's market. Most of what we have done is creating a team with the future in mind. They are young and in the main untried. Granted I expect the plan to work but for the right here right now We don't have that player with the wow factor and experience. We were short up front last year, nothing has changed even with sane who like sterling did, will come with the fanfare but could be found wanting in the hustle and bustle of the prem league for a year or two. As a club I feel we need another tevez/Robinho moment to get us all salivating for this year. Still optimistic though

How do you work out we were short upfront?

We just stupidly kept playing Bony instead of Nacho.

 

[SWP's back]

That means that Adidas takes in an extra £80m (not that I believe that figure to be correct), and effectively costs them nothing to sponsor Utd. Or have I got that wrong ?

Of course it costs them nothing to sponsor them. That's the whole point, it's an investment that they expect to make a return on or atleast break even with whilst gaining exposure.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Thats official! And I was shocked how many chelsea sells something fishy there?!

When you say "official" what do you mean? Where is the data sourced from?

The report that said Chelsea outsold the shite was initially reported on a very obscure Spanish language blog and repeated by some news outlets. I personally don't believe for one minute that Chelsea outsell the Shite.

Here, another obscure website claims Madrid are the biggest sellers with 1.4 units.

http://www.sportyghost.com/top-10-highest-selling-club-soccer-jerseys/

Who knows what the truth is, but I the figures vary wildly from one report to the next. As for "official" figures I very much doubt any manufacturers or clubs release official figures, so any figures will be based on estimates.

What is very clear though, is that the Shite haven't sold 5m Pogba shirts this week which they would have to in order to pay off his transfer fee (assuming adidas get zero from sales, which is unfathomable in itself.)

 

[prof-taf]

gundogan is world class, just because its a relatively low fee doesn't take away from his ability[/QUOTE

Can you define marquee signing of £47.5m Stones and £40m Sane don't qualify?

given how this thread has deviated to shirt sales, perhaps marquee is defined as that player who generates the most interest and excitement in our younger fans regardless of price. Gudongan will be a key player for us, I'm an aging man, however my sons who wear the shirts and get excited about who we sign would have a very different view. Aguero on their shirts again this year. Unless we get a marquee signing ;)