The battle for 4th place

[The Fat el Hombre]

You are right but if Liverpool won The Europa and we won the C/L and the rags finished 4th, they would lose out.
I'd rather us finish top 4 the right way but that scenario would be piss funny.

So there would be 4 English teams in that case? If so then why were there 5 Spanish teams in it this year if the same thing happened (Spanish teams winning CL and EL)!?

 

[lasereyes]

So there would be 4 English teams in that case? If so then why were there 5 Spanish teams in it this year if the same thing happened (Spanish teams winning CL and EL)!?

There would be 5 - top 3, us and scousers.

 

[MCFC1993]

So there would be 4 English teams in that case? If so then why were there 5 Spanish teams in it this year if the same thing happened (Spanish teams winning CL and EL)!?

Possible Scenarios, with only 4th spot altering and both Liverpool and City winning their European competitions:

1. Leicester City - Qualify for Champions League on league position.
2. Tottenham - Qualify for Champions League on league position.
3. Arsenal - Qualify for Champions League on league position. If City win the Champions league they will enter the playoffs. (I think)
4. Man City - Qualify for Champions League on league position or winning it. Winning the Champions League would automatically put them in the group stages
5. Man Utd
6. West Ham
7. Liverpool - Qualify for the Champions League by winning the Europa League. Could be 1st seed if one of the top 7 leagues champions wins the Champions League as well.
etc...

1. Leicester City - Qualify for Champions League on league position.
2. Tottenham - Qualify for Champions League on league position.
3. Arsenal - Qualify for Champions League on league position. (Again would probably have to play the playoff round).
4. Man Utd - Drop into the Europa League.
5. Man City - Qualify for Champions League through winning it.
6. West Ham
7. Liverpool - Qualify for the Champions League through winning the Europa League.
etc...

So in summary 4th would drop into the Europa League if a 2 teams outside of the top 4 win the Champions League and the Europa League.

Last year Spain had 5 and none of the top 4 were affected because the winners of the Champions League were already in the top 4 (Barcelona).

Also the scenario below is why we may cheer on Liverpool if we have a chance of winning the Champions League:

1. Leicester City - Qualify for Champions League on league position.
2. Tottenham - Qualify for Champions League on league position.
3. Arsenal - Qualify for Champions League on league position.
4. Man Utd - Qualify for Champions League on league position.
5. Man City - Qualify for Champions League through winning it.
6. West Ham
7. Liverpool
etc...

Also the nightmare scenario:

1. Leicester City - Qualify for Champions League on league position.
2. Tottenham - Qualify for Champions League on league position.
3. Arsenal - Qualify for Champions League on league position.
4. Man Utd - Qualify for Champions League on league position.
5. Man City
6. West Ham
7. Liverpool - Qualify for the Champions League through winning the Europa League.
etc...

 

[Chi-town blues]

Never mind 2nd; where's that "we're still going to win the league" thread?

:)

 

[MadchesterCity]

That's why today's result was so good. Some people didn't want a spurs win. Weird.

Yeah complete madness, must have been closet rags

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

So there would be 4 English teams in that case? If so then why were there 5 Spanish teams in it this year if the same thing happened (Spanish teams winning CL and EL)!?

Because Barcelona had also qualified by finishing in the top 4 of their domestic league

 

[billymumphrey]

If we pick up the three points against Chelsea this weekend I reckon 4th is secured.

But that's on based on our fixtures on paper, which our recent performances have not come close to how we should be playing...

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

If we pick up the three points against Chelsea this weekend I reckon 4th is secured.

But that's on based on our fixtures on paper, which our recent performances have not come close to how we should be playing...

There won't be a better time to play Chelsea but it's a real bogey ground for us. One win in 20 odd years is as poor as the anfield record. It needs to change because with 3 of the next 4 away, we have to pick up points in these games. Southampton won't be easy either. They are playing well currently.

 

[bellsouth]

Its not going to be easy, United's fixtures look pretty easy. 13 points from the last games will guarantee 4th, so we could afford to lose once, but a draw at Chelsea would be a great result.

 

[blueparrot]

Its not going to be easy, United's fixtures look pretty easy. 13 points from the last games will guarantee 4th, so we could afford to lose once, but a draw at Chelsea would be a great result.

Cant see them getting more than 4 wins 2 draws , so 10 more points should be enough.