The BBC | Tim Davie resigns as Director General over Trump documentary edit (p 187)

[mexico1970]

If you talk about Nazis in the 1930s there’s a clear implication of where it leads. Don’t be so disingenuous.

He might have just meant the good Nazis though?

 

[Didsbury Dave]

If you talk about Nazis in the 1930s there’s a clear implication of where it leads. Don’t be so disingenuous.

One of the most clumsy and moronic lunges for some non-existent moral high ground I’ve ever seen.

You don’t give a fuck about the Jews or the holocaust.

 

[paska]

Haven't watched it in years. Didn't watch it last night either. I tend not to watch or listen to things that annoy me as it turns me into a moaning twat on internet forums.

It seems like not watching does that too ;)

 

[Blue and true]

Because he condemns racism while indulging in casual anti-semitism by minimising the evil of the Nazi regime and holocaust. Andrew Bridgen was suspended from the Conservative Party for the same thing recently.

Guy suggests language used by a political party is similar to early 1930's propaganda, criticizes them for it, and he's an anti-semite?

Think you've got your wires crossed mate.

 

[eastmanc]

Just seen it. Very funny and feels like they threw their toys out the pram with the presentation of it.

What was the reason for:

- Not playing the theme song?
- Not showing team lineups and formations?
- Not having commentary in the games? (I'm sure they could've used some of the official Premier League commentary used on the international feed if they'd asked nicely)
- Not showing stats such as shots on target, possession, corners etc at the end?

Not a lot of effort put in by the BBC. They basically took their ball home.

 

[Chris B]

No he didn’t.

Well, I believe he did. I would add i don’t think his comments were worthy of any particular censure. People are allowed, still, to be offensive now and then. But his comments did serve to minimise the evils of Nazi germany by comparing it to an unremarkable immigration policy in 2023.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

I really enjoyed the programme last night. All the goals, all the highlights crammed into 20 minutes without all the bullshit. I can also understand how some people really like the full programme with all the commentary and analysis, etc. Simple fix, produce the long programme and a condensed 20min programme to run alongside it. Then we're all happy.

If all you want are the goals and key moments then just watch the official highlights on YouTube. That's all they showed last night.

 

[ballbag]

It seems like not watching does that too ;)

Fair cop, mate :D

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If you talk about Nazis in the 1930s there’s a clear implication of where it leads. Don’t be so disingenuous.

There is no clear implication at all. Your argument is predicated on the basis that the holocaust was an inevitable corollary of the Nazi regime in the 1930s. It was not. It was, however, an inevitable consequence of right thinking people not doing enough to stop it, and allowing it to grow in confidence and morph into the genocidal machine it became. There are potential parallels here if people do nothing to stop the clear and obvious erosion of our liberties.

It’s probably best not to accuse someone of being disingenuous, without exploring what their view is founded upon first. You shot your load far too soon, pal.

 

[Palerider]

If Lineker had taken out the '1930's Germany' reference then I think there would have been little fuss. His use of over the top inflammatory language is just political mischief making which is fine when among friends but not so for the BBC where neutrality is it's whole DNA. If the multi millionaires Sugar and Lineker want to preach politics then fine, do it on commercial stations, not the politically neutral BBC.

 

[City Hobgoblin]

It has probably already been said but surely the fact that Lineker tweeted about Corbyn in 2017 and now Braverman, is the very definition of impartiality; ie treating everyone equally.

It's almost as if Auntie is breaking her own treaty by it's actions.

The guidelines regarding sports presenters expressing opinions on public social media are vague.
The upper hierarchy of the BBC got the hump about this as the immigration issue is the government flagship policy intended to win back votes.
Lineker might have been aware of this, he certainly landed a blow on some jaws.

 

[Coatigan]

Because he condemns racism while indulging in casual anti-semitism by minimising the evil of the Nazi regime and holocaust. Andrew Bridgen was suspended from the Conservative Party for the same thing recently.

Lol. That is some perverse twisting there, take a bow.

 

[Coatigan]

Because it is my human right to be angry if I want to be.... surely your're not going to deprive me of that are you?

He won't. This government might though.

 

[mattcity5]

He minimised it by comparing the description of some limited measures to stop illegal migration into a country with one of the worst crimes in human history. The two aren’t comparable and to imply they are equivalent is to minimise one and exaggerate the other.

Yes, he said the language in the 1930s, not the actual holocaust, but the implication was clear. After all, the nazis aren’t regarded as one of the most evil regimes in history because of their language in the early part of their reign. It was clear the line of argument he was making was to equate the current actions of the government with those of Nazi germany. That is an absolutely risible comparison that is offensive and beyond contempt.

The implication is fairly clear yes.but is it wrong to worry about the future?

Did the Germans in 1933 who listened to their government and accepted what they were doing expect what it would lead to? I doubt it very much. But they accepted what their Government did and look where it ended up.

It's right to remind people about this and it's right to be cautious. Pointing out comparisons with 1930s Germany is about caring about minorities as well as refugees and hoping that this horrific lot in charge don't go further down that road.

 

[chesterbells]

Seen quite a few of the older, miserable sort across the internet pretending the show was better last night.

Why the fuck would anyone wait around until 22:30 to watch some brief highlights? They're on YouTube about 15 mins after full time.

In fact, why are you staying up until then to watch MOTD any other week if you find the presenters so insufferable?

Lol

 

[west didsblue]

Well, I believe he did. I would add i don’t think his comments were worthy of any particular censure. People are allowed, still, to be offensive now and then. But his comments did serve to minimise the evils of Nazi germany by comparing it to an unremarkable immigration policy in 2023.

It’s not an unremarkable immigration policy in 2023 that is being compared. It’s a disgraceful policy that criminalises asylum seekers for being asylum seekers. You’re the one trying to minimise the contemptibility of this government proposal.

 

[Chris B]

Guy suggests language used by a political party is similar to early 1930's propaganda, criticizes them for it, and he's an anti-semite?

Think you've got your wires crossed mate.

No, I don’t think so. Minimisation of the evils of the holocaust is a standard antisemitic trope. As with Andrew Bridgen this kind of false equivalence is often widely condemned.

 

[Centurions]

"City escape with victory" and "reactions as City barely beat Crystal Palace" were the first two things I saw. Is it the same old anti City rhetoric every week on there too ?

You missed the "City barely stay in title race" then? And yes, that is real.

 

[Coatigan]

The analogy Lineker drew is sound, for the reasons you to which you point. Anyone who makes a leap from that to concentration camps is simply looking for reasons to dislike what he has said. It’s irrational and therefore best ignored.

^

 

[west didsblue]

No, I don’t think so. Minimisation of the evils of the holocaust is a standard antisemitic trope. As with Andrew Bridgen this kind of false equivalence is often widely condemned.

Gary Lineker did not minimise the evils of the holocaust. He didn’t even mention the holocaust.

Andrew Bridgen directly compared vaccines to the holocaust.

You’re losing the plot.