The Bedroom Tax - The big lie

[-dabz-]

"When Pastor Niemöller was put in a concentration camp we wrote the year 1937; when the concentration camp was opened we wrote the year 1933, and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers.
Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians - "should I be my brother's keeper?"
Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. - I remember a conversation I had with a person who claimed to be a Christian. He said: Perhaps it's right, these incurably sick people just cost the state money, they are just a burden to themselves and to others. Isn't it best for all concerned if they are taken out of the middle [of society]? -- Only then did the church as such take note. Then we started talking, until our voices were again silenced in public. Can we say, we aren't guilty/responsible? The persecution of the Jews, the way we treated the occupied countries, or the things in Greece, in Poland, in Czechoslovakia or in Holland, that were written in the newspapers
I believe, we Confessing-Church-Christians have every reason to say: mea culpa, mea culpa! We can talk ourselves out of it with the excuse that it would have cost me my head if I had spoken out."

This is an extended version of the famous "First they came for the communists" speech.

The council tax is just a baby step towards the repetition of history.

Ignore it at your peril.

 

[Ducado]

"When Pastor Niemöller was put in a concentration camp we wrote the year 1937; when the concentration camp was opened we wrote the year 1933, and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers.
Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians - "should I be my brother's keeper?"
Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. - I remember a conversation I had with a person who claimed to be a Christian. He said: Perhaps it's right, these incurably sick people just cost the state money, they are just a burden to themselves and to others. Isn't it best for all concerned if they are taken out of the middle [of society]? -- Only then did the church as such take note. Then we started talking, until our voices were again silenced in public. Can we say, we aren't guilty/responsible? The persecution of the Jews, the way we treated the occupied countries, or the things in Greece, in Poland, in Czechoslovakia or in Holland, that were written in the newspapers
I believe, we Confessing-Church-Christians have every reason to say: mea culpa, mea culpa! We can talk ourselves out of it with the excuse that it would have cost me my head if I had spoken out."

This is an extended version of the famous "First they came for the communists" speech.

The council tax is just a baby step towards the repetition of history.

Ignore it at your peril.

What a load of offensive bollocks how bloody dare you be-smudge the memory of over 6 million innocent souls in comparison to a reduction in benefits for a very few people

 

[malg]

"When Pastor Niemöller was put in a concentration camp we wrote the year 1937; when the concentration camp was opened we wrote the year 1933, and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers.
Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians - "should I be my brother's keeper?"
Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. - I remember a conversation I had with a person who claimed to be a Christian. He said: Perhaps it's right, these incurably sick people just cost the state money, they are just a burden to themselves and to others. Isn't it best for all concerned if they are taken out of the middle [of society]? -- Only then did the church as such take note. Then we started talking, until our voices were again silenced in public. Can we say, we aren't guilty/responsible? The persecution of the Jews, the way we treated the occupied countries, or the things in Greece, in Poland, in Czechoslovakia or in Holland, that were written in the newspapers
I believe, we Confessing-Church-Christians have every reason to say: mea culpa, mea culpa! We can talk ourselves out of it with the excuse that it would have cost me my head if I had spoken out."

This is an extended version of the famous "First they came for the communists" speech.

The council tax is just a baby step towards the repetition of history.

Ignore it at your peril.

What a load of offensive bollocks how bloody dare you be-smudge the memory of over 6 million innocent souls in comparison to a reduction in benefits for a very few people

Yep. Talk about going off topic!

 

[-dabz-]

"When Pastor Niemöller was put in a concentration camp we wrote the year 1937; when the concentration camp was opened we wrote the year 1933, and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers.
Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians - "should I be my brother's keeper?"
Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. -[size=150] I remember a conversation I had with a person who claimed to be a[/size] Christian. [size=150]isn't it best for all concerned if they are taken out of the middle [of society -- Only then did the church as such take note. Then we started talking, until our voices were again silenced in public. Can we say, we aren't guilty/responsible? The persecution of the Jews, the way we treated the occupied countries, or the things in Greece, in Poland, in Czechoslovakia or in Holland, that were written in the newspapers
I believe, we Confessing-Church-Christians have every reason to say: mea culpa, mea culpa! We can talk ourselves out of it with the excuse that it would have cost me my head if I had spoken out."

This is an extended version of the famous "First they came for the communists" speech.

The council tax is just a baby step towards the repetition of history.

Ignore it at your peril.

What a load of offensive bollocks how bloody dare you be-smudge the memory of over 6 million innocent souls in comparison to a reduction in benefits for a very few people

I tried to highlight the relevant bit but it didn't work. Fixed it now. How is that offensive? 50,000 people may soon be homeless,(ring any bells) if you cant see the comparison then you are an offensive idiot.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/exclusive-50000-people-are-now-facing-eviction-after-bedroom-tax-8825074.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 25074.html</a>

 

[smudgedj]

It's not a tax is it. If you are under-occupying your social housing you do not have to pay the state any money, you will simply receive a smaller handout from the taxpayer.

 

[Mike N]

Can all of you who agree with this bedroom tax on the grounds of why should people be subsidised by the tax payer.Explain to me why if you are a home owner living in your property as a single occupant or if it is your second home and not continuously occupied you get a twenty five percent reduction in your council

tax.Is that not a subsidy paid to you by the taxpayers of the U.K.Or is it only wrong when it is a rented property and the subsidy is going to some feckless council house tenant.

'Feckless council house tenant' comment says all I need to know about you.

 

[Josh Blue]

Can all of you who agree with this bedroom tax on the grounds of why should people be subsidised by the tax payer.Explain to me why if you are a home owner living in your property as a single occupant or if it is your second home and not continuously occupied you get a twenty five percent reduction in your council tax.Is that not a subsidy paid to you by the taxpayers of the U.K.Or is it only wrong when it is a rented property and the subsidy is going to some feckless council house tenant.

Get the fuck out

 

[Pieblue]

Can all of you who agree with this bedroom tax on the grounds of why should people be subsidised by the tax payer.Explain to me why if you are a home owner living in your property as a single occupant or if it is your second home and not continuously occupied you get a twenty five percent reduction in your council tax.Is that not a subsidy paid to you by the taxpayers of the U.K.Or is it only wrong when it is a rented property and the subsidy is going to some feckless council house tenant.

Get the fuck out

You pair of pricks, climb out of your own arseholes and read my point again
I am arguing for the council tenants not against them, I am from the same background you bell wafts, and neither of you know anything about me

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

Can all of you who agree with this bedroom tax on the grounds of why should people be subsidised by the tax payer.Explain to me why if you are a home owner living in your property as a single occupant or if it is your second home and not continuously occupied you get a twenty five percent reduction in your council tax.Is that not a subsidy paid to you by the taxpayers of the U.K.Or is it only wrong when it is a rented property and the subsidy is going to some feckless council house tenant.

Get the fuck out

You pair of pricks, climb out of your own arseholes and read my point again
I am arguing for the council tenants not against them, I am from the same background you bell wafts, and neither of you know anything about me

agreed mate. Good points raised, wording and punctuation could have been better(probably explains why they misread you).I would be interested to see some more discussion of the point about 2nd homes, can anyone who has an opinion for the bedroom tax address this issue.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Can't be arsed reading the whole thread, but anything that gets the poor out of their mansions and back into bedsits gets my vote. Down here BBCLondon news did a piece on a single mum with 4 kids that would be forced to move out of her flat in Kensington - Laugh? I nearly shit myself. Of course you'll have to move sweetheart, because just like the rest of us that earn less than £500k a year - you can't fucking afford to live there.