The Bluemoon Song Cup 2023

[mancity2012_eamo]

The Doors?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Over The Beach Boys?

Both popular and they influenced The Beatles to make Sgt Pepper. I like the Beastie Boys but I think you would be stretching it to say they are the most influential, let alone popular. I'm not hugely into US bands but even the likes of the Pixies, Nirvana and maybe Metallica could say they were more popular than the Beasties and more influential?

Remember -- I'm NOT making the argument -- I'm saying you COULD -- depending on how important you think hip-hop is in terms of American music genres and the evolution of rock/pop.

I've seen cogent arguments for The Beach Boys, Grateful Dead, REM, The Ramones, Talking Heads and others. It's why I think it's an interesting topic.

I think my favo(u)rite American band is probably Steely Dan btw, but hard to call them the "greatest" when they operated outside a lot of traditional norms. Anyhow -- don't want to derail -- just added it on OPs mention of the Beasties.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

The Doors?

Definitely NOT them. IMO. But my disdain for their immensely overrated pretty boy drunk "poet" shaman singer (who would have been living in a cardboard box in some Venice Beach alley had he not been good-looking and well-off) clouds my judgment. I did love Ray Manzarek though.

 

[bluesince76]

Remember -- I'm NOT making the argument -- I'm saying you COULD -- depending on how important you think hip-hop is in terms of American music genres and the evolution of rock/pop.

I've seen cogent arguments for The Beach Boys, Grateful Dead, REM, The Ramones, Talking Heads and others. It's why I think it's an interesting topic.

I think my favo(u)rite American band is probably Steely Dan btw, but hard to call them the "greatest" when they operated outside a lot of traditional norms. Anyhow -- don't want to derail -- just added it on OPs mention of the Beasties.

Many of my favourite bands and songs will be American, but I'd agree in terms of influence, UK wins hands down, certainly in the rock field after the initial rock n roll and blues from America. Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin ,Sabbath, Motorhead, Pistols

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Lennon, McCartney, Starr and Evans shared three different pianos, with Martin on a harmonium, and all played a E-Major chord simultaneously. The chord was made to ring out for over forty seconds by increasing the recording sound level as the vibration faded out.

The Beatles were different level.

Good stats BH..........

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Remember -- I'm NOT making the argument -- I'm saying you COULD -- depending on how important you think hip-hop is in terms of American music genres and the evolution of rock/pop.

I've seen cogent arguments for The Beach Boys, Grateful Dead, REM, The Ramones, Talking Heads and others. It's why I think it's an interesting topic.

I think my favo(u)rite American band is probably Steely Dan btw, but hard to call them the "greatest" when they operated outside a lot of traditional norms. Anyhow -- don't want to derail -- just added it on OPs mention of the Beasties.

I say, steady on............

 

[Lavinda Past]

Lennon, McCartney, Starr and Evans shared three different pianos, with Martin on a harmonium, and all played a E-Major chord simultaneously. The chord was made to ring out for over forty seconds by increasing the recording sound level as the vibration faded out.

The Beatles were different level.

As I understand it, their idea was that if the record was played on a non-automatic deck, the chord would play continuously, until the stylus was manually removed from the record.

George Martin was a genius.

A few bands tried it subsequently, but the effect was killed off by the increased popularity of automatic decks and ultimately by CDs.

 

[mancity111]

Remember -- I'm NOT making the argument -- I'm saying you COULD -- depending on how important you think hip-hop is in terms of American music genres and the evolution of rock/pop.

I've seen cogent arguments for The Beach Boys, Grateful Dead, REM, The Ramones, Talking Heads and others. It's why I think it's an interesting topic.

I think my favo(u)rite American band is probably Steely Dan btw, but hard to call them the "greatest" when they operated outside a lot of traditional norms. Anyhow -- don't want to derail -- just added it on OPs mention of the Beasties.

No doubt Steely Dan would be in the conversation , their consistency , style , sound and musicianship is everlasting and in my case I prefer listening to them to the Beatles and you mention studio bands well how do you go past Steely Dan. Not every ones cup of tea but 9 albums where there are very few fillers if any and less than 8/10 songs. Katy Lied and Aja are timeless. Fagan and Becker , consummate professionals always looking for the perfect record to give to their audience.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I say, steady on............

5 brilliant records, then a hugely popular but IMO vastly overrated one, then two shit ones, but also hands down the best concert film of all time. They are in the conversation.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

No doubt Steely Dan would be in the conversation , their consistency , style , sound and musicianship is everlasting and in my case I prefer listening to them to the Beatles and you mention studio bands well how do you go past Steely Dan. Not every ones cup of tea but 9 albums where there are very few fillers if any and less than 8/10 songs. Katy Lied and Aja are timeless. Fagan and Becker , consummate professionals always looking for the perfect record to give to their audience.

I don’t think they made a single bad album and they made, what, ten? As usual (no shock) you and I agree on their two best! I just think in terms of influence they are less significant because their sound was so unique AND because it required session musicians who were really skilled. No one could copy them even if they wanted to. They’re in a category by themselves. Maybe that’s enough for “greatest”, but I think influence is important to my definition.