The Bluemoon Song Cup 2024 - P235 - R2/M119 - Richard Thompson (Sunset Song) v Talk Talk (It's My Life)

FogBlueInSanFran said:
Greatest ever is a matter of opinion but anyone who doesn’t think it’s iconic hasn’t listened to very much music. At all.
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The older I get the more I realise that music I thought was standard because we all know it - is not necessarily known at all by a new generation. And that Led Zeppelin (for instance) is the equivalent to my grandparents singing music hall stuff. There are so many genres of music and ways of accessing music now that someone can have listened to loads of music and never engaged with early 1970's rock music - because it is irrelevant to their world.
 
hilts said:
I think people who rate certain bands(including me) way over state what they believe is iconic. They can also have a very elitist attitude in that if people don't listen to what they listen to then they can't have listened to much music.

There is a never ending amount of music one can listen to outside of Zep. I can't even remember the last time I heard this song in passing so believe me it ain't iconic.

A gorilla playing drums on a chocolate advert is far far more iconic than this.

I don't even like chocolate.

As you were:-)
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Clueless.
 
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cyan said:
The older I get the more I realise that music I thought was standard because we all know it - is not necessarily known at all by a new generation. And that Led Zeppelin (for instance) is the equivalent to my grandparents singing music hall stuff. There are so many genres of music and ways of accessing music now that someone can have listened to loads of music and never engaged with early 1970's rock music - because it is irrelevant to their world.
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Given that this drumbeat is one of THE most popularly sampled of any piece of music ever made by any artist, I will continue to suggest that “the new generation” understands its iconic nature, ironically better than some of the FOCs here who disparage it despite them being around when it was originally released.
 
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bigstanhibbert said:
Did the Beatles ever say they were a 'rock' band - please explain your definition of a 'rock' band who is allowed to considered as thus
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No they didn't.....but I replied to a poster NOT them ;)
You can class whoever you like as a rock band, if you include the Beatles, then I guess you class Westlife, Blue, Take That, Boyzone and One Direction as rock bands too.
 
hilts said:
I think people who rate certain bands(including me) way over state what they believe is iconic. They can also have a very elitist attitude in that if people don't listen to what they listen to then they can't have listened to much music.

There is a never ending amount of music one can listen to outside of Zep. I can't even remember the last time I heard this song in passing so believe me it ain't iconic.

A gorilla playing drums on a chocolate advert is far far more iconic than this.

I don't even like chocolate.

As you were:-)
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Yeah, you’re right. Not iconic at all. It’s only been sampled in 261 fucking songs.


I do appreciate the lecture on how much music there is apart from Led Zep, though. However, the discussion was about whether this piece of music was iconic and, I repeat, unless you haven’t paid attention to music since it came out, it factually is.
 
I asked my good buddy the glorified Google search that is ChatGPT

Which songs (pop, rock, soul etc,) have the most iconic drum beats?

ChatGPT said:​


Here’s a list of songs across genres (pop, rock, soul) known for their iconic drum beats:

Rock:​

  1. Led Zeppelin – "When the Levee Breaks"
    John Bonham’s massive, echoing drum beat in this song is one of the most sampled in music history.
  2. Phil Collins – "In the Air Tonight"
    The famous drum fill near the end of the song is instantly recognizable and one of the most iconic moments in rock drumming.
  3. The Rolling Stones – "Honky Tonk Women"
    Charlie Watts’ simple, yet infectious cowbell-heavy intro and groove are unforgettable.
  4. Queen – "We Will Rock You"
    The stomping, clapping beat of this song is an anthem on its own and universally recognized.
  5. Nirvana – "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
    Dave Grohl’s powerful and dynamic drumming is a huge part of why this song became a grunge classic.

Pop:​

  1. Michael Jackson – "Billie Jean"
    The opening beat, produced by drum machines and live drumming, sets the mood for one of pop’s biggest hits.
  2. Toto – "Rosanna"
    Jeff Porcaro’s intricate shuffle beat (often called the "Rosanna shuffle") is both complex and deeply groove-laden.
  3. The Weeknd – "Blinding Lights"
    The driving 80s-inspired beat, anchored by electronic drums, has become a modern pop staple.
  4. Prince – "1999"
    The electric drumbeat in this song is so distinctive and synonymous with Prince’s unique sound.

Soul/Funk:​

  1. James Brown – "Funky Drummer"
    Clyde Stubblefield’s break in this song is one of the most sampled drum beats in hip-hop and beyond.
  2. Stevie Wonder – "Superstition"
    Stevie’s own drumming on this track delivers a funky, syncopated groove that is instantly recognizable.
  3. The Jackson 5 – "I Want You Back"
    The Motown beat in this song, driven by intricate hi-hat and snare work, became a defining sound of the era.
  4. The Winstons – "Amen Brother"
    The “Amen break” from this song became legendary in breakbeat and drum and bass music, sampled endlessly across genres.

Hip-Hop:​

  1. Dr. Dre – "Nuthin' but a 'G' Thang"
    The relaxed, G-funk drum groove became synonymous with West Coast hip-hop in the early '90s.
  2. Run-D.M.C. – "Walk This Way"
    Blending rock and hip-hop, this song’s hard-hitting beat is iconic in both genres.
These songs stand out for their drumming, shaping both their genres and broader musical history.

And this guy have a very well regarded youtube channel:


The beginning and end tell you all you need to know.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Yeah, you’re right. Not iconic at all. It’s only been sampled in 261 fucking songs.


I do appreciate the lecture on how much music there is apart from Led Zep, though. However, the discussion was about whether this piece of music was iconic and, I repeat, unless you haven’t paid attention to music since it came out, it factually is.
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No the conversation was is it the greatest and bestest drum beat of all time. You brought your nose and iconic into it.
 
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