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metalblue said:
Of course she pays tax in India - she may do so efficiently but that sounds like a problem for the Indian government and its citizens. But… you lived tax free in the US as a foreign national? Not a criticism, good on you, but you used tax rules to your personal benefit yet are now pissed about someone else potentially doing the same? Pot kettle and all that.

Anyways they obviously got wise to that as was different when I lived in US and had to pay taxes from day 1, only choice I had (IIRC) was to pay resident state taxes monthly or yearly and you had self declared discounts such as mortgage. As I earned in one state and lived in another I think earning state and federal tax were deducted at source.
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I assume that holding the Chancellor and his wife to the same standard as random dudes on a footie forum is the new norm for Govt ministers?
 
metalblue said:
It’s either ok or it isn’t. You can’t pick and choose based on the person.

I’m also not a government minister - but I suspect you may have already guessed that ;)
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Of course you can, government ministers and their immediate familly have a moral responsibility to set and example to the rest of us, that those of us not in public life don't we only have to answer to our own peers and conscience.
Same way Boris breaking covid rules is different to you or me breaking them.
 
mat said:
And that's why we have the old farts there.

A victory for common sense.

I expect the government will retort by amending with a constable savage clause.
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Yes, the fact that they cannot easily be fired means they will often vote for the best rather than because they're told to.
Any elected system loses that as they can be deselected.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Cheers.

Typically people don't pay double tax and there are other schemes to claim tax relief if you do end up in that situation for one reason or another. I've not seen anything to suggest that she's paying the UK tax rate on dividends minus her tax obligations in India. As far as I can tell, she's paying nothing on that stream of income in the UK, and potentially some tax "overseas."

Incidentally, I think you're being very generous in assuming that the "overseas" she is paying tax in is India. Based on the fact that she hasn't said she's paying tax in India, it almost certainly means some tax haven.

I think there are very good reasons why taxation should be based on residency, not where the money is earned (for individuals - for companies it's different despite that Mail journalist on Question Time trying to conflate the two). Taxes exist to pay for public services. If you aren't living in a country, you're not using the public services.
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She’s not obliged to pay UK tax on money earned elsewhere and remains outside the UK. But you’re correct she’s not paying the difference between UK and Indian tax rates , I was merely offering it up as an alternative to non dom that might satisfy both sides of the equation.

The Sunak’s have said they pay tax on all international earnings including in India which says to me she earns in various other countries not just India. So no reason to think otherwise at this stage, but if she hasn’t it will come out as you can bet this is being investigated. I’m sure she also uses tax havens where she can.

Taxes aren’t merely there to pay for public services but it’s a fair argument to say you live here you pay for those services… and to some extent she had in the sense she’s paid taxes on her UK earnings. That may not be true of all non doms and, in her case, there is a counter argument that could say her dividends were only so high due to the economy in India therefore should not their taxpayers rights take precedence over the UK? particularly where the money never sets foot in the UK. It’s a complicated situation that’s about the best I can say for it.
 
Del_Bosque said:
Well the story is now developing into they had Green cards during his first year as chancellor, so in theory they must have been paying US tax on international earnings.

However the most likely thing is she's been funnelling her money off to a tax haven, as do most non-doms. Something that was dodged in their statement to the press.

I don't think the debate here should be whether non-dom status is right or wrong to exist, that's far too wide and far reaching a subject.

It's that the associated benefits of being in a marriage with a globe trotting international non-dom is 100% incompatible with the office of Chancellor of the Exchequer of the UK, and it's even more mind boggling when said chancellor putting taxes up during a cost of living crisis.

He's absolutely cooked as Chancellor and he'll never be PM now.

Agree 100% people can't expect him to give up his wifes citizenship, but he will have to give up his ambitions of holding one of the 4 great offices of state.
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She set up a company in Mauritius to funnel money through. She won't pay much tax in India that's for sure. How can right wingers in this country go in to bat for these crooks.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
I'd be interested to know to what extent there are objective rules for determining whether someone is genuinely a non-dom. Because obviously anyone can claim anything on their tax form, but there is presumably a way to say, "no, actually you're taking the piss there. Pay up."

I applied to do a master's course recently, and they said I wasn't entitled to home fees because I've not been resident in the UK for 10 years. But if I can show that I've maintained a UK address, bank account, NHS registration, and that my work contracts overseas are temporary, I would qualify. I wonder what non-doms have to show to prove it.

I get the point of the non-dom status. If you want to attract talented workers to the UK, it's a bonus to be able to say that they will only pay UK tax on the stuff they earn here (although again, funny how that doesn't apply to lorry drivers or nurses, because the fees involved show that it's only for the super rich). But that has to be linked to a temporary work contract of some kind, and once that contract is up and you choose to stay, you're then taxed as a resident. The idea that someone can be living in the UK for 15 years and still claiming these tax breaks is taking the piss.
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The rules are I understand pretty nebulous. You will be assessed on a variety of factors, do you own a home in Britain? That hurts your case as a non dom, do you send your kids to British schools, are you and your family located in Britain. Effectively the test is, how ingrained are you in British society? If Sunaks wife owns a home in India, sends her kids to school there, spends significant time there she can reasonably state my primary ties are in India, but to do that while married to the chancellor....... let's just say that is a brave move.

As others have said this massively hurts his political aspirations both on the hypocrisy scale and on the lack of.. for want of a better word nationalism scale.
 
Such bending over by tories defending her , sweet

Some tory pillock on question time last night defending the £200 loan we are getting forced onto us for our energy bills

It is NOT A LOAN he shouts several times , it is a levy , but we have to pay it back so it is a loan says everyone in the hall , christ they think we are all dim cunts
 
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