The Conservative Party

[Elbow beards]

That wasn't the Government pocketing the 10p

I know but I didn't know what thread to put it in

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

3 years ago during the brexit debate.

Sorry but you obviously didn't understand the 4D chess masterplan called lexit. :)

 

[ganganvince]

That wasn't the Government pocketing the 10p

I suppose you could argue they trouser 4.5p in tax.
Correction fuel tax is fixed per litre variable would only be vat so 2p.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I agree Johnson was their Trump alonng with his Bannan sidekick were allowed to hollow the party out. Every in the party must have known that this would happen, listening to them at the conference this morning the only question from one grandee was which type of kicking they are going to get at the next GE Canadian or 1997 style.

It could easily be viewed that the powers behind the politics of the Conservatives bet the house on changing the country and coming out on top. They were very close, if they'd had one or two more competent people.

They must be furious with Johnson for lousing it all up.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I still think they’ve a good chance of winning in 2 years so no complacency should set in. If anyone watched Newsnight last night the Sutton Coldfield focus group they had on was eye opening. They were all 2019 Tory voters and were supposedly a cross section of that populace. Common themes were: benefits should NOT be uprated in line with inflation because we’ve got a ‘better on benefits than working‘ culture because they get paid too much. ’Ordinary people‘ should get looked after now, not scroungers (the clear feeling that there is a life of Riley being had by claimants and they’re not like the rest of us, was palpable. The Rwanda plan is a start and we just need to stop them coming and its immigrants that are responsible for overcrowded schools, broken NHS etc…
Finally, we had 2 of them saying that; ‘although they’ve got rid or Corbin, the Labour patty is still full of extreme left wingers and a vote for Starmer would be an absolute disaster for the economy’. We also got the ‘imagine how much worse it would be’ speech. Now, I know it’s likely not ‘representative’ but those 8 didn’t sound to me like they were going to vote any other way come the election. I got the feeling maybe 2 might vote Labour, 1 might not bother but 4/5 would be going back and putting the cross in the blue box, which can’t be ideal……

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I still think they’ve a good chance of winning in 2 years so no complacency should set in. If anyone watched Newsnight last night the Sutton Coldfield focus group they had on was eye opening. They were all 2019 Tory voters and were supposedly a cross section of that populace. Common themes were: benefits should NOT be uprated in line with inflation because we’ve got a ‘better on benefits than working‘ culture because they get paid too much. ’Ordinary people‘ should get looked after now, not scroungers (the clear feeling that there is a life of Riley being had by claimants and they’re not like the rest of us, was palpable. The Rwanda plan is a start and we just need to stop them coming and its immigrants that are responsible for overcrowded schools, broken NHS etc…
Finally, we had 2 of them saying that; ‘although they’ve got rid or Corbin, the Labour patty is still full of extreme left wingers and a vote for Starmer would be an absolute disaster for the economy’. We also got the ‘imagine how much worse it would be’ speech. Now, I know it’s likely not ‘representative’ but those 8 didn’t sound to me like they were going to vote any other way come the election. I got the feeling maybe 2 might vote Labour, 1 might not bother but 4/5 would be going back and putting the cross in the blue box, which can’t be ideal……

I think the starting sentence is very important.

I think there is a lot of conflation that benefit claimants are immigrants and immigrants are benefit claimants.

I suspect that Sutton Coldfield probably hasn't been hit too badly by loss of industry forcing people onto benefits.

I was in Wisbech (Cambridgeshire, UKIP/Brexit central) a few weeks ago, and it was quite noticeable that a lot of the hotels have been turned over to homeless as there was a directive to do so when the pandemic hit - house them or lose money. As a result, there's barely an operational hotel in the town, and the population has escalated unsustainably in the last couple of decades. That's the areas that need to be resolved.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I think the starting sentence is very important.

I think there is a lot of conflation that benefit claimants are immigrants and immigrants are benefit claimants.

I suspect that Sutton Coldfield probably hasn't been hit too badly by loss of industry forcing people onto benefits.

I was in Wisbech (Cambridgeshire, UKIP/Brexit central) a few weeks ago, and it was quite noticeable that a lot of the hotels have been turned over to homeless as there was a directive to do so when the pandemic hit - house them or lose money. As a result, there's barely an operational hotel in the town, and the population has escalated unsustainably in the last couple of decades. That's the areas that need to be resolved.

Spot on. I just think we’re now moving from ’it was all the fault of Europe to its all the fault of foreigners,’ which can’t be a good thing.
I also still can’t believe that there’s still a narrative about benefits being some sort of financial heaven that makes people choose them and, if only they’d go to work, the country would be sorted..

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Spot on. I just think we’re now moving from ’it was all the fault of Europe to its all the fault of foreigners,’ which can’t be a good thing.
I also still can’t believe that there’s still a narrative about benefits being some sort of financial heaven that makes people choose them and, if only they’d go to work, the country would be sorted..

That's probably the trouble - it's become indoctrinated, and that's difficult to break.

 

[threespires]

Twats can't even keep their own leader's speech from being interrupted, couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery (and in fairness to Johnson he could organise a piss up anywhere).

 

[NPBlue]

Good find and representative of what we are seeing. Had a chat with a pure Tory yesterday and mentioned that we no longer have the living standards we once had and that the Tory party have been a government of lowering standards in all areas. There was a bit more to it and his response was very much that I won the debate and his thoughts on voting were beginning to change.

Even he is seeing that his party has been hijacked and what he once held dear has been pushed so far the right, they are no longer a party that he knew.

What I forgot to mention was the report highlighted how poor wealth distribution in the UK is when compared to the rest of the world. In each income band analysed, as the pay scale lowered, so did the ranking of the UK.

In contrast, Norway was consistently at or near the top of each income band.

It also mentioned factors such as declining public services like health and social care which exacerbate the situation for the poorest in the UK.

It painted a grim picture, and the tories are on course to make things even worse.