The Conservative Party

[TinFoilHat]

Prisoner escapes prison.

Tories blame Labour!

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Prisoner escapes prison.

Tories blame Labour!

Well, you really have to ask why Starmer didn’t bring up the subject of this geezer escaping from Wandsworth last week/month/year/ever.
He patently supports letting criminals wander the streets unchecked.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Well, you really have to ask why Starmer didn’t bring up the subject of this geezer escaping from Wandsworth last week/month/year/ever.
He patently supports letting criminals wander the streets unchecked.

It’s all down to him not convicting Savile.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Well, you really have to ask why Starmer didn’t bring up the subject of this geezer escaping from Wandsworth last week/month/year/ever.
He patently supports letting criminals wander the streets unchecked.

Being a lefty Liberal do gooder lawyer he sees this as a win for prisoner.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Being a lefty Liberal do gooder lawyer he sees this as a win for prisoner.

Shouldn’t that mean a lifetime in prison under Jenrick’s new guidelines?

 

[Brewster's millions]

Sounds like there’s no shortage of opportunities for disabled people to work if they can then. Seems somewhat churlish to crack down on those that don’t work when it would appear that the reality is that the vast majority of that group are not actually able to work. The language being used by the government is hardly going to make it easier to get people who aren’t working due to mental health issues (anxiety, depression etc.) into the workplace.

The same vague arguments could have been trotted out a decade ago - doubtless they were - and they would have been proven completely wrong given that the employment rate for disabled has risen steadily ever since.

At some point, the ability of the economically inactive disabled people to actually work will naturally decline, but there’s no evidence to suggest that we’re anywhere close to that point, and certainly nothing to suggest that this group already form a vast majority.

Since the end of 2020, there’s been a 1.1 million rise in people classified as disabled, accompanied by a 0.74 million rise in disabled people in employment. So the facts actually point towards the opposite of what you’re suggesting, and if the change in working practices can further improve the trend then the government has to capitalise upon this.

 

[Brewster's millions]

That’s predominately because of disability prevalence though, which was my point. Like I said, it’s a nuanced area and personally I wouldn’t consider the situation overall as an improvement. I agree it’s good proportionately more are able to work though.

It’s a clear improvement.

The increase in disabled people in work recorded over the past decade far exceeds that which would have been expected at the start of the period based on the prevailing proportions. So something has clearly changed - it’s not simply a function of the rise people classified as disabled.

 

[meltonblue]

It’s a clear improvement.

The increase in disabled people in work recorded over the past decade far exceeds that which would have been expected at the start of the period based on the prevailing proportions. So something has clearly changed - it’s not simply a function of the rise people classified as disabled.

The government themselves have said it’s predominantly due to disability prevalance, that’s factored for 60% of it, it’s not just that though it’s things like working age change too.

They’ve got a good analysis of it all here -

Employment of disabled people 2022

www.gov.uk

It’s difficult to do a direct comparison and say is this really a better position to be in given all the things they mention in there that have changed over the past decade. That and as much as people are being correctly acknowledged as suffering from disabilities, that is caveated with are we doing enough still with preventative care and measures.

 

[west didsblue]

The same vague arguments could have been trotted out a decade ago - doubtless they were - and they would have been proven completely wrong given that the employment rate for disabled has risen steadily ever since.

At some point, the ability of the economically inactive disabled people to actually work will naturally decline, but there’s no evidence to suggest that we’re anywhere close to that point, and certainly nothing to suggest that this group already form a vast majority.

Since the end of 2020, there’s been a 1.1 million rise in people classified as disabled, accompanied by a 0.74 million rise in disabled people in employment. So the facts actually point towards the opposite of what you’re suggesting, and if the change in working practices can further improve the trend then the government has to capitalise upon this.

Absolutely correct that it’s a vague argument but it’s no less valid than you using the absolute numbers to draw conclusions when the situation is a lot more nuanced due to numerous factors.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Pincher standing down rather than facing a recall referendum and likely defeat. They are all very thin skinned aren't they? Entitled I'd say.

I think it's perfectly possible that it's just the latest knife in Sunak's back from the Johnson camp.