You think they can't claim if they can't speak a word of English????
Of course they can if they are allowed to stay!
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Of course they can if they are allowed to stay!
mexico1970
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Scottyboi
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You think they can't claim if they can't speak a word of English????
Of course they can if they are allowed to stay!
It's one subject I wouldn't be arguing with you about, you will have seen it all over the years.
I've seen a lot, you're right.It's one subject I wouldn't be arguing with you about, you will have seen it all over the years.
I also see many who are new to this country who have aspirations and want to work. Some very VERY genuine people.
Yet the lack of English is sometimes profound and it can take years before they are job ready.
BTH
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Come and see where I work, you will see a whole different ball game.
And how do you know? Have you sat in on every hospital interaction?
That sounds a little facetious, I know that. Not having a go etc etc Yet I'm just trying to explain that the Public Service has to deal with many interactions that require an interpreter.
People talk about how immigration and diversity built this country. I get that. I am descended from immigrants.
Yet the modern labour force needs people who speak English. It's almost impossible to get a job without that ability. It can take years of courses for someone to get to the standard required. And, in the meantime, they are either on benefits or are working illegally for employers who couldn't give a rats arse what language they speak and where no taxes are being paid.
THAT is reality.
A procession of Tory ministers do the rounds of the TV studios with their faux outrage that refugees want to come to Britain. "Why not stay in France?" they ask. "France was a safe country the last time I looked," they chirp from their crib sheets from the Tory HQ printer.
In mitigation their opponents offer family, friends and language as reasons why this might be.
In my estimation there is a huge elephant in the room that nobody wants to mention; it's called the black economy.
People can come here with no papers, passports or documentation and simply disappear: take a job in the black economy (not one that pays £38K pa mind) and live in a house-share with little or no mither from anyone.
The answer of course was floated by Labour in their manifesto almost 20 years ago: it was called the ID card, which everyone is obliged to carry in France, Belgium, Germany and most European countries.
And guess what? Those same people and organisations who have been emboldened since the Brexit vote in their bigotry and their xenophobia and are telling anyone who wants to listen to "Stop the boats" and "The country's full" were the exact same people who were whining about their civil liberties being eroded all those years ago because "it isn't very British" and that is why the idea was scrapped.
The last Census (2021), had 0.27% of the English and Wales population saying they couldn't speak English. Given that England is a lot more ethnically diverse than Scotland or NI, it's likely to be nearer 0.2% for the UK, so about 1 in 500 people.I've seen a lot, you're right.
I also see many who are new to this country who have aspirations and want to work. Some very VERY genuine people.
Yet the lack of English is sometimes profound and it can take years before they are job ready.
Still adds up to 150,000+, but out of a population of over 65,000,000 we should be able to cope.
Looking at the population make up of "full" Doncaster, it's likely that non-English speakers would be around 1 in 1500 people. If the local services can't cope with that, then there's only one party to blame.
Yes. The black economy is a massive problem, I agree.A procession of Tory ministers do the rounds of the TV studios with their faux outrage that refugees want to come to Britain. "Why not stay in France?" they ask. "France was a safe country the last time I looked," they chirp from their crib sheets from the Tory HQ printer.
In mitigation their opponents offer family, friends and language as reasons why this might be.
In my estimation there is a huge elephant in the room that nobody wants to mention; it's called the black economy.
People can come here with no papers, passports or documentation and simply disappear: take a job in the black economy (not one that pays £38K pa mind) and live in a house-share with little or no mither from anyone.
The answer of course was floated by Labour in their manifesto almost 20 years ago: it was called the ID card, which everyone is obliged to carry in France, Belgium, Germany and most European countries.
And guess what? Those same people and organisations who have been emboldened since the Brexit vote in their bigotry and their xenophobia and are telling anyone who wants to listen to "Stop the boats" and "The country's full" were the exact same people who were whining about their civil liberties being eroded all those years ago because "it isn't very British" and that is why the idea was scrapped.
And I agree. The Tories have done nothing to address this. Yet there IS a problem, especially in places such as I live.The last Census (2021), had 0.27% of the English and Wales population saying they couldn't speak English. Given that England is a lot more ethnically diverse than Scotland or NI, it's likely to be nearer 0.2% for the UK, so about 1 in 500 people.
Still adds up to 150,000+, but out of a population of over 65,000,000 we should be able to cope.
Looking at the population make up of "full" Doncaster, it's likely that non-English speakers would be around 1 in 1500 people. If the local services can't cope with that, then there's only one party to blame.
It goes back to the point that Rishi Sunak was keen to make in Tunbridge Wells - that he made sure that money wasn't going to urban areas in the North, but was being redistributed back to much wealthier areas in the South. So we end up where all services are under pressure, and any more complexity, like the need for an interpreter, fucks things up even further.And I agree. The Tories have done nothing to address this. Yet there IS a problem, especially in places such as I live.
And the point about ID cards ties into it. People from ethnic minorities, and those who don't speak good English, are much less likely to be on the electoral register. Something that the Tories are happy about, as it would create a lot more seats in areas they struggle in. But it also means that a lot of funding is based on people who are on the electoral roll, rather than the numbers who are actually living in an area.
bluethrunthru
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Yes. The black economy is a massive problem, I agree.
nowhere near as massive as tax evasion and avoidance by the wealthy