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mackenzie said:
It's not racist to point these things out. That's where you get division.

I spent 50 minutes today on 2 appointments that would have taken me 20 minutes max with English speakers.

You're right, every Government department does have access to an interpreter (apart from Uzbek apparently, which did my head in today. Had to use a Dari interpreter to translate for the customers dad who then had to translate in Uzbek to his daughter)


Yet that leads to much longer appointments and impacts on everything else.

Why does nobody understand this? Feel like I need to book another bloody interpreter! ;-)
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Just a query whether these people and their families are working in the UK, contributing to society? If they are, surely we should be providing extra funding to enhance the workforce and provide the necessary services, not complaining that the appointment takes a little longer.

Seems a rather fucked up view to me, or are you just talking about asylum seekers who could contribute in the future.

The truth is that our public services have been cut to the bone meaning excess pressure on what we have left. Even without a few extra minutes on appointments, we still wouldn’t be in a decent position to look after our people. The 7.5 million backlog in appointments tells us that.
 
Bournemouth Blue said:
I think Labour will get in next year, but don’t believe for one minute things will improve, the party is divided as much as the Tories, if not more so. Time will tell, I am voting for the Monster Raving Looney candidate
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It’s OK, mate. As you say, they’re all the same so just continue to vote Tory. It’s your vote, nobody else’s.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Just a query whether these people and their families are working in the UK, contributing to society? If they are, surely we should be providing extra funding to enhance the workforce and provide the necessary services, not complaining that the appointment takes a little longer.

Seems a rather fucked up view to me, or are you just talking about asylum seekers who could contribute in the future.

The truth is that our public services have been cut to the bone meaning excess pressure on what we have left. Even without a few extra minutes on appointments, we still wouldn’t be in a decent position to look after our people. The 7.5 million backlog in appointments tells us that.
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The family are lovely, very much so. A family of 8 including mum and dad.
None of them working as yet, because none of them can speak any English.

Asylum Seekers can't claim, they are under NASS (unless it's called something else now. Things change quickly, but when I was on the team dealing directly with NASS leavers 20 odd years ago that is what it was called. I've moved through several different teams since then though).

And what funding would you put in place? There's a definite lack of ESOL courses but, in these numbers, it could take a hike on taxes to provide any of the extra help you want to give to them. Especially if "extra" and "enhanced"
Would you be willing to put that in place in a Cost of Living crisis?

And thanks for the lecture on Public Services. Been in the service since 1981.
 
mackenzie said:
The family are lovely, very much so. A family of 8 including mum and dad.
None of them working as yet, because none of them can speak any English.

Asylum Seekers can't claim, they are under NASS (unless it's called something else now. Things change quickly, but when I was on the team dealing directly with NASS leavers 20 odd years ago that is what it was called. I've moved through several different teams since then though).

And what funding would you put in place? There's a definite lack of ESOL courses but, in these numbers, it could take a hike on taxes to provide any of the extra help you want to give to them. Especially if "extra" and "enhanced"
Would you be willing to put that in place in a Cost of Living crisis?

And thanks for the lecture on Public Services. Been in the service since 1981.
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I wasn’t being condescending, mate, just wanted to understand the situation and place an alternative to what we are seeing now. Being in public services myself, I see many of the frustrations that you do and tend to look at the route cause of said frustrations.

As always, many things come down to funding and hadn’t this been stripped away then we wouldn‘t be in this position. Not only stripped away, but actively given away to big business, awarding them the majority while the people who work for them get further and further into poverty.

Money does not grow on trees but neither should it be syphoned off to those that do not need it, or subside big business as a bonus for keeping the people they need employed.

For me, it’s the model that needs sorting, not the finances.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
I wasn’t being condescending, mate, just wanted to understand the situation and place an alternative to what we are seeing now. Being in public services myself, I see many of the frustrations that you do and tend to look at the route cause of said frustrations.

As always, many things come down to funding and hadn’t this been stripped away then we wouldn‘t be in this position. Not only stripped away, but actively given away to big business, awarding them the majority while the people who work for them get further and further into poverty.

Money does not grow on trees but neither should it be syphoned off to those that do not need it, or subside big business as a bonus for keeping the people they need employed.

For me, it’s the model that needs sorting, not the finances.
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And I wholeheartedly agree with much of that.
Yet there has to be a balance
We can't keep growing the welfare state. It's becoming unsustainable.

I'd like to see a complete change in the labour market that absolutely stops most of the crap; zero hours contracts curtailed (it suits some, but definitely not the majority), some employers "employing" those who can't speak English yet have the same first language as those who employ them (and that does go on. A lot) where "scams" of the welfare system are discussed and shared (I've witnessed this in person, such is the sheer bloody audacity) and played.
Human trafficking. That's a bloody eye opener in itself, and it didn't happen even just 30 years back (at least not in any number where it was obvious/prevalent and GMP had to get involved).

As for the over running of my appointments today; I know it doesn't sound like much but honestly...when your time is already stretched beyond belief it just adds horrendous mental stress to both yourself and the rest of your team.

I want to get the Tories out as much as the next right thinking individual, but we also need to see a bigger picture.

PS...no offence taken by the way
 
bluethrunthru said:
more Tory lies exposed

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This lie got many wound up last year as it scared so many that they were thinking that we were heading for an Albanian mafia type state. Many said that it was bullshit but with the media frenzy it was very hard to see to the truth.

This is what happens when you draw down on education and put people in a position where they cannot see the wood for the trees.

Just think how many times the Tories have spliced the figures to come up with an alternative reality, putting people into an impossible position and scaring them into making an incorrect assumption?

I fucking hate this government, and if they were wiped out, literally, I wouldn‘t bat an eye. They are malign.
 
mackenzie said:
And I wholeheartedly agree with much of that.
Yet there has to be a balance
We can't keep growing the welfare state. It's becoming unsustainable.

I'd like to see a complete change in the labour market that absolutely stops most of the crap; zero hours contracts curtailed (it suits some, but definitely not the majority), some employers "employing" those who can't speak English yet have the same first language as those who employ them (and that does go on. A lot) where "scams" of the welfare system are discussed and shared (I've witnessed this in person, such is the sheer bloody audacity) and played.
Human trafficking. That's a bloody eye opener in itself, and it didn't happen even just 30 years back (at least not in any number where it was obvious/prevalent and GMP had to get involved).

As for the over running of my appointments today; I know it doesn't sound like much but honestly...when your time is already stretched beyond belief it just adds horrendous mental stress to both yourself and the rest of your team.

I want to get the Tories out as much as the next right thinking individual, but we also need to see a bigger picture.

PS...no offence taken by the way
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We all know how hard it is at the moment and it will take lots of hard work from the Labour party to turn this around. My only hope is that they have the balls to go hard and fast following the initial period of governance.

Ps. You really do need a pat on the back for having to put up with these situations and, going forward, we all need to take a step back to understand the reality of how we have got into this position.
 
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