The Conservative Party

[mosssideblue]

David Amess was murdered after holding a constituency surgery meeting, i.e. answering people’s questions and trying to help people.

Jo Cox was murdered on her way to just such a meeting in her own constituency.

You should stop posting bollocks.

Both of those tragic killings imo were as a result of Government. They were tragically the fall out for those creating the problems as they were redily accessible, whereas those cretins at the top creating this shit show are well protected.

 

[Saddleworth2]

For those that enjoy graphs, these certainly paint a picture of what the Tories have done to us as a nation.

The Conservatives’ economic record since 2010 in 10 charts

From a huge budget deficit to weak GDP and a record rise in tax, we look at the background to the Tory budget

www.theguardian.com

 

[WRicko]

What a pointless speech

Utter hypocrisy

 

[mosssideblue]

For those that enjoy graphs, these certainly paint a picture of what the Tories have done to us as a nation.

The Conservatives’ economic record since 2010 in 10 charts

From a huge budget deficit to weak GDP and a record rise in tax, we look at the background to the Tory budget

www.theguardian.com

Some horrific stats in that lot. How anyone can still be thinking these are taking the job seriously is beyond me

 

[Brewster's millions]

Both of those tragic killings imo were as a result of Government. They were tragically the fall out for those creating the problems as they were redily accessible, whereas those cretins at the top creating this shit show are well protected.

This barely deserves a response but I suggest you do a bit of reading about the murders and then you’ll see where your views are wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

Both murders were carried out by lunatics, albeit of different persuasions. A white supremacist and Nazi sympathiser on one hand, and an ISIS supporting loon on the other.

You could potentially argue that the Amess murderer should have been picked up by virtue of the fact that he had been referred to the Prevent scheme, but then you’d be locking up or intensively monitoring an awful lot of people. I know that a lot of posters on here think that having three or four thousand potential terrorists on the MI5 watchlist is no big deal, but having ten or twenty thousand under surveillance isn’t really realistic. In any case the ISIS murderer had been planning to kill an MP since 2017 and his motivation related to the UK taking action against IS, which hardly relates to the more controversial areas of government policy.

Meanwhile the Jo Cox murderer had reportedly moved to killing somebody over the course of twenty years and had idolised a number of similarly infamous oddballs, not least David Copeland.

In a similar vein, I presume you believe that the government of the day was responsible for the people killed by Copeland because they allowed black, Asian and gay people to live in the UK?

 

[Vic]

It’s awful when MPs exert their parliamentary right to hear policies debated in the chamber first.

Except Sunak didn't announce a policy.

Either just waffle, or wind-up, or windbaggery, or stoking the fires he claims to want to douse.

 

[mosssideblue]

This barely deserves a response but I suggest you do a bit of reading about the murders and then you’ll see where your views are wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

Both murders were carried out by lunatics, albeit of different persuasions. A white supremacist and Nazi sympathiser on one hand, and an ISIS supporting loon on the other.

You could potentially argue that the Amess murderer should have been picked up by virtue of the fact that he had been referred to the Prevent scheme, but then you’d be locking up or intensively monitoring an awful lot of people. I know that a lot of posters on here think that having three or four thousand potential terrorists on the MI5 watchlist is no big deal, but having ten or twenty thousand under surveillance isn’t really realistic. In any case the ISIS murderer had been planning to kill an MP since 2017 and his motivation related to the UK taking action against IS, which hardly relates to the more controversial areas of government policy.

Meanwhile the Jo Cox murderer had reportedly moved to killing somebody over the course of twenty years and had idolised a number of similarly infamous oddballs, not least David Copeland.

In a similar vein, I presume you believe that the government of the day was responsible for the people killed by Copeland because they allowed black, Asian and gay people to live in the UK?

Are you able to prove that these lunatics were not driven to that condition as a result of the way the country is being goverened and the consequences of decisions made by ministers?

 

[Brewster's millions]

Are you able to prove that these lunatics were not driven to that condition as a result of the way the country is being goverened and the consequences of decisions made by ministers?

Have you actually read any of my post?

 

[mosssideblue]

Have you actually read any of my post?

Yes

 

[Brewster's millions]

Yes

I suggest you log off for half an hour, maybe get some fresh air mate.