The Conservative Party

[Fred_Quimby]

In case you were wondering about ‘mob rule’

 

[mackenzie]

I saw the poll this morning.

18%.

Fuck me.

I've been doing a bit of research. Anybody who reads my posts here knows I have an unhealthy obsession with polling. I've gone all the way back through every single opinion poll since 1945.

There is one poll conducted in that entire time that was worse than this. Also by People Polling, during the febrility after the Liz Truss budget. Had them on 14% - immediately bounced back when she was canned.

Out of thousands of opinion polls conducted - it is worse than the Brexit debacle of May 2019 (lowest they polled then was 20%). It is worse than the lowest point of the Major government in 1995 (worst they polled then was 18.5%). It's a hell of a lot worse by a margin than anything before that from the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s.

Thing is - it isn't about the Leader any more, it is about the party. This is truly existential. They are beyond fucked. If a poll like that came to pass in an election, then they wouldn't even be the opposition. It would radically change the shape of politics in this country.

I've been wondering if we might see an official split within the Tory party. Only thing I can't see them doing though is deliberately sabotaging any prospects of power again, and I think a split would do that.

 

[TinFoilHat]

In case you were wondering about ‘mob rule’

LBD nails it again. Challenging the Tory gaslighting.

 

[mosssideblue]

I saw the poll this morning.

18%.

Fuck me.

I've been doing a bit of research. Anybody who reads my posts here knows I have an unhealthy obsession with polling. I've gone all the way back through every single opinion poll since 1945.

There is one poll conducted in that entire time that was worse than this. Also by People Polling, during the febrility after the Liz Truss budget. Had them on 14% - immediately bounced back when she was canned.

Out of thousands of opinion polls conducted - it is worse than the Brexit debacle of May 2019 (lowest they polled then was 20%). It is worse than the lowest point of the Major government in 1995 (worst they polled then was 18.5%). It's a hell of a lot worse by a margin than anything before that from the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s.

Thing is - it isn't about the Leader any more, it is about the party. This is truly existential. They are beyond fucked. If a poll like that came to pass in an election, then they wouldn't even be the opposition. It would radically change the shape of politics in this country.

Still 18% too many

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

In case you were wondering about ‘mob rule’

one of the first steps to Facism is to convince the population that the country is broken

Paxton ……Anatomy of Facism

 

[Bodicoteblue]

I've been wondering if we might see an official split within the Tory party. Only thing I can't see them doing though is deliberately sabotaging any prospects of power again, and I think a split would do that.

It’s already totally split.
The right wingers are simply zealots and ideologues who care not a jot for the Tory party once it ceases to be a viable political force or suitable and convenient vehicle for their own political ends.
They will leave the smouldering wreckage and form another lunatic right-wing grouping, and then the sub divisions within that will start to tear them apart too.
It’s all about power and glory……….for themselves.

 

[mackenzie]

It’s already totally split.
The right wingers are simply zealots and ideologues who care not a jot for the Tory party once it ceases to be a viable political force or suitable and convenient vehicle for their own political ends.
They will leave the smouldering wreckage and form another lunatic right-wing grouping, and then the sub divisions within that will start to tear them apart too.
It’s all about power and glory……….for themselves.

Yes, the divisions are there for all to see. Was just wondering if a seismic defeat might result in an "official" split.

 

[Vic]

It will take a lot of hard work, and it will also need the British public to wake up and accept reality. There is no magic way out of this mess, but having a big slice of the electorate who are totally delusional does not help.

Does that include the Allthesamers?

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Yes, the divisions are there for all to see. Was just wondering if a seismic defeat might result in an "official" split.

There ain’t going to be much left to split.
The so-called ‘Red wall’ tories are legging it in droves and the right wing loonies are off too, leaving the old-school one nation types in limbo.
The tories still have a large, but ageing, membership out in the country but this iteration of the party has moved away from the majority of them and has left most without a political home except for small local branches, much like labour a few years ago.
As the brexit gammonistas die out, it’s hard to see where the tories future is.

 

[kaz7]

Would like a may election as it cant be too soon , i want these cunts out . I expect it wont be till a plane has taken off to rwanda and they can dog whistle the racists and far right , even if there is only one person on the flight