The Conservative Party

[bluethrunthru]

amazing how so many of Johnsons mates are piss pots - sex pests of nonces.......

Boris Johnson pal set to be banned from bars in Parliament after drunken row

Tory peer Kulveer Ranger, who was an adviser to Boris Johnson, is set to be suspended for three weeks from the House of Lords, as well as a year's ban from the bars

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Vic]

Sunak waking up to farming concerns, but can't resist suggesting that people on benefits should go and pick veg and fruit. Lots of blackberry farms in the inner cities.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Sunak waking up to farming concerns, but can't resist suggesting that people on benefits should go and pick veg and fruit. Lots of blackberry farms in the inner cities.

Do all people on benefits live in the inner cities?

 

[bluethrunthru]

This twat

Sunaks' wealth rises to £651m in latest Sunday Times Rich List

Rishi Sunak and his wife Akshata Murty are richer than King Charles, according to The Sunday Times.

www.bbc.co.uk

is doing this

Unpaid carers shocked at having to repay thousands

Two ex-ministers say the government should pause demands for large sums of money from benefits overpayments.

www.bbc.co.uk

whereas this is still unresolved 2 years down the line

Government to sue Mone-linked PPE firm for £122m

The firm won contracts to supply protective equipment after being recommended by peer Baroness Mone.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[Vic]

Do all people on benefits live in the inner cities?

Don't get silly.

Unless you're after a job as a work coach.

 

[metalblue]

Have you had any dealings with the companies that have the outsourced contract (or their subcontractors) or spoken to someone who has?

For the most part they aren't really coaches, they're salespeople. They are there to pressure sell and bully or manipulate the long term unemployed into getting off the caseload and just getting any old job. That doesn't mean people should just waste away on universal credit for the rest of their lives.

They should do the minimum to satisfy the DWP and get away with it and the maximum they can do for their own employment goals and aspirations. By doing the latter they are more likely to get stable employment and stay out of the revolving door of insecure employment and job centre plus.

What's the advice for someone who is struggling on 16hrs a week? Try and stand out positively in your company (or organisation) and apply for another role or go somewhere else. Maybe there's personal circumstances why someone hasn't already done that rather than being a lazy waster.

What you’re identifying is issues with the coaches rather than the concept itself. I don’t see this as saying folk are lazy wasters either. They aren’t, they work, now if all these coaches do is point them to other jobs that pay more - which I think is what you’re saying - then there isn’t a lot of coaching going on and you’d have to question why are they called coaches.

This service shouldn’t be about just get a different job, it should be signposting to further education, or teaching skills that equip them to see their own value, etc etc. I know what you’ll say, funding, it’s always the problem, but these sort of services can pay for themselves when correctly targeted with the right people.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

What you’re identifying is issues with the coaches rather than the concept itself. I don’t see this as saying folk are lazy wasters either. They aren’t, they work, now if all these coaches do is point them to other jobs that pay more - which I think is what you’re saying - then there isn’t a lot of coaching going on and you’d have to question why are they called coaches.

This service shouldn’t be about just get a different job, it should be signposting to further education, or teaching skills that equip them to see their own value, etc etc. I know what you’ll say, funding, it’s always the problem, but these sort of services can pay for themselves when correctly targeted with the right people.

What you are describing is the level of service that used to exist or at least was the ambition.

That is no longer the case and will continue to be the case under a Tory administration.

The service is outsourced it's delivered according to a sales sector style model, not the type of careers advice and guidance that used to exist.

So we are now talking about hypotheticals and imagining services that used to exist before Tory austerity.

We all know what the point of this policy is, it's to cut welfare by pushing people into just giving in or falling foul of sanctions.

It's like victims of romance fraud going back for the 10th time expecting a different result.

 

[BrianW]

Nothing you posted there explains why the feckless here can't do these tasks without employing what is effectively slave labour and kicking the problem down the road.

Retirement age people are already working until they die.

There's a hell of a lot of excuses for selfishness going on there mate.

'The feckless' - ah, nothing like a dose of contempt for your fellow humans.

Many of the long-term employed have all manner of issues that need addressing if they are to be of use. Drug addiction is quite common. Low self-esteem. Various forms of illness, including psychological ones. The need to provide child care or to care for older and disabled relatives. If you think all this can be sorted out with a wave of a magic wand you are kidding yourself.

The level of unemployment is low by historic standards and the labour market is tight. This is despite quite high levels of government-approved immigration. As in approved by the government. Not by Jeremy Corbyn. Not by the imaginary 'Blob'. Not by me. By the government, responding to market demand. Do you not understand these elementary concepts?

Most of our native unemployed do not have the skills/education to provide the workers we need most. It's as simple as that. Some could possibly be trained up. But it will take money and time.

As I said, if you seriously want to reduce immigration, you need a plan. A plan that acknowledges that there will be issues for the economy, tax rises and later retirement for all. Anything less is specious bollocks. Like Brexit was. (Another thing we did off-the-cuff without any real plan).

If you want to go down that road, fine. I have no objection in principle. What I object to is unplanned policy damaging our economy and causing chaos. Make no mistake, making a massive reduction in immigration is a fundamental change in the way our economy functions. It means massive government intervention and higher costs. It will also have to be phased in, as you cannot train doctors (for example) overnight.

 

[mexico1970]

'The feckless' - ah, nothing like a dose of contempt for your fellow humans.

Many of the long-term employed have all manner of issues that need addressing if they are to be of use. Drug addiction is quite common. Low self-esteem. Various forms of illness, including psychological ones. The need to provide child care or to care for older and disabled relatives. If you think all this can be sorted out with a wave of a magic wand you are kidding yourself.

The level of unemployment is low by historic standards and the labour market is tight. This is despite quite high levels of government-approved immigration. As in approved by the government. Not by Jeremy Corbyn. Not by the imaginary 'Blob'. Not by me. By the government, responding to market demand. Do you not understand these elementary concepts?

Most of our native unemployed do not have the skills/education to provide the workers we need most. It's as simple as that. Some could possibly be trained up. But it will take money and time.

As I said, if you seriously want to reduce immigration, you need a plan. A plan that acknowledges that there will be issues for the economy, tax rises and later retirement for all. Anything less is specious bollocks. Like Brexit was. (Another thing we did off-the-cuff without any real plan).

If you want to go down that road, fine. I have no objection in principle. What I object to is unplanned policy damaging our economy and causing chaos. Make no mistake, making a massive reduction in immigration is a fundamental change in the way our economy functions. It means massive government intervention and higher costs. It will also have to be phased in, as you cannot train doctors (for example) overnight.

I'm not talking about people who are unwell just the people who we have who are too lazy to do a shift, just because someone wont work doesn't mean we should import more.

Again, importing more people to complete menial tasks is kicking the problem down the road. why are we treating the 3rd world like babby factories?

As I said mate, selfish.