The Conservative Party

[mancity2012_eamo]

Not as a party, no, categorically not. The party's official position was one of Remain with the The PM fronting it. Which incidentally, given his unpopularity at the time was probably a contributing factor in why the vote was lost.

Sure there were more Tory MPs supporting leave than there were Labour MPs, and the question mark over Europe had divided the party for years. But Leave or even having a vote on it, was never the official party position. All blame lies at Nigel Farage's door.

That being the case, we'd have never had a referendum had Labour been in office (until they weren't) but that said, it's a pretty lame argument for me or anyone else to say "We should never have had a referendum because the people would vote in a way we don't want". The very essence of democracy is that the people get to decide, is it not?

I was one of the most vocal Remainers on here, before and after the referendum but even I came to the conclusion in the end that the fair democratic decision - albeit an idiotic one - had been made and we had to honour it.

Fair point. Instigating it is probably the wrong terminology.
I would say mismanaged might be closer to the truth if the official party position was as you say.

 

[Chippy_boy]

So I will reframe my question from yesterday because I am genuinely interested. What would your rationale be for voting Tory at the next election and I don't mean a generalised I'm a conservative not a socialist rationale, I mean more specifically what you think is more attractive about the current conservative party direction, policy and capabilities over and above that of the labour party?

I ask because given what has happened recently with government and the level of competence the tory party has shown, and I think you have suggested you've not been impressed either, I really struggle to think of good rational reasons for the vast majority of the country to vote conservative next time round. So I want to get a better understanding of why someone might do that. Even if the answer is simply to keep Labour out then I'd like to understand why you think Labour would be bad for the country and specifically what types of things you think Labour might do that you would disagree with.

Was it you who asked the similar question yesterday? If so, sorry mate, I wasn't ignoring you it's just I am quite busy and it was a nuanced question that I didn't (and still don't) have the time to do justice to. I'll be frank and say that in part - and excuse the direct comment - but I can hardly be arsed either, bearing in mind that (a) it won't change anyone's mind and (b) any detailed and thought out response will just be met with silly memes and best and likely more abuse.

When I get a moment or two spare, I will PM you rather the inevitable shit storm on here.

 

[dave_blue12]

Hahahaha. Boring??? Irony of the century right there.

Have you SEEN the page count on this thread? 3,000 fucking pages of the same people posting the same shite over and over and over and over again. Jesus Christ.

You are clearly not paying attention because whilst it may be the same people posting it is sadly different shit. Your Tory pals keep coming up with new ways to fuck the country over whilst lining their own pockets.

But that all seems to be okay with you and you would like them to fuck us over some more.

 

[Meatbag]

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[Gabriel]

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Well said.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

so not a raise in pension limits for the very well paid, but an abolition of it.
All framed as being for doctors, as if it won't affect any other very well paid person.

And £60K a year that can be salted away each year sheltered from Inheritance tax.

 

[Gabriel]

 

[Vic]

Hahahaha. Boring??? Irony of the century right there.

Have you SEEN the page count on this thread? 3,000 fucking pages of the same people posting the same shite over and over and over and over again. Jesus Christ.

Only because every so often someone comes along trying to defend the same Tory shit, and won't take truth for an answer.