The David Makin interview

markbmcfc said:
Cheers Dave.

Interesting read. As a group of fans, we should never forget those times, they make Manchester City what we are today.

Interesting that Franny has been very much involved with the club this season, after all that water under the bridge. He's been completely forgiven by the fans. I never liked him to be honest but he never lost touch with the club.
 
classic Dave loved that interview..........

a truly fantastic footballer and business man..........

did his best as Chairman but not for him..........
 
Didsbury Dave said:
markbmcfc said:
Cheers Dave.

Interesting read. As a group of fans, we should never forget those times, they make Manchester City what we are today.

Interesting that Franny has been very much involved with the club this season, after all that water under the bridge. He's been completely forgiven by the fans. I never liked him to be honest but he never lost touch with the club.

It is interesting. When you see how Alan Ball was viewed by City fans, was Franny's tenure as Chairman much better for the club? Debateable.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
markbmcfc said:
Cheers Dave.

Interesting read. As a group of fans, we should never forget those times, they make Manchester City what we are today.

Interesting that Franny has been very much involved with the club this season, after all that water under the bridge. He's been completely forgiven by the fans. I never liked him to be honest but he never lost touch with the club.

When I see him, I definitely see a failed chairman (who likes knockout drops) rather than a club hero but then I am too young to have seen him play but was there every week during the terrible times under his leadership. Do the (even) older blues who were watching in the late 60's still see him as a heroic player primarily or as a terrible chairman?
 
Lancet Fluke said:
Didsbury Dave said:
markbmcfc said:
Cheers Dave.

Interesting read. As a group of fans, we should never forget those times, they make Manchester City what we are today.

Interesting that Franny has been very much involved with the club this season, after all that water under the bridge. He's been completely forgiven by the fans. I never liked him to be honest but he never lost touch with the club.

When I see him, I definitely see a failed chairman (who likes knockout drops) rather than a club hero but then I am too young to have seen him play but was there every week during the terrible times under his leadership. Do the (even) older blues who were watching in the late 60's still see him as a heroic player primarily or as a terrible chairman?
He's one of us, love him or hate him. I started going in the early 70s so I think of him as the outstanding footballer that he was for us. I try not to think of him when he was our chairman. And I have to agree with Didsbury Dave, our fan base still hasn't recovered from that time, although Stuart Pearce set it back some when he was in charge.
 
Bert Trautmann's Parachute said:
Lancet Fluke said:
Didsbury Dave said:
Interesting that Franny has been very much involved with the club this season, after all that water under the bridge. He's been completely forgiven by the fans. I never liked him to be honest but he never lost touch with the club.

When I see him, I definitely see a failed chairman (who likes knockout drops) rather than a club hero but then I am too young to have seen him play but was there every week during the terrible times under his leadership. Do the (even) older blues who were watching in the late 60's still see him as a heroic player primarily or as a terrible chairman?
He's one of us, love him or hate him. I started going in the early 70s so I think of him as the outstanding footballer that he was for us. I try not to think of him when he was our chairman. And I have to agree with Didsbury Dave, our fan base still hasn't recovered from that time, although Stuart Pearce set it back some when he was in charge.

As a footballer he was up there with the best of them in terms of a City great, no doubt. I would rather not recall his chairmainship, as when he took over it seemed that we were about to turn the corner and we had so much optimism. What he subsequently did and the manner, left a sour taste in the mouth. Remember him as a player yes. As chairman, then I'm with the King on that one.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Here it is, scanned and "OCR"ed including a bit of text about the fallout from it. Ultimately it was the end for Franny.

“The reason I am not at the ground is that six months ago, or four
or five months ago, I saw my backside with the chairman. I think there a
massive chemistry problem within the club. I really do. He overrides everybody. He tries to be dominant. I am in business and I know if you haven’t got a happy workplace then there are problems. I don’t think City is a happy
workplace and, frankly, I think there is a problem. So everybody is looking at Frank. Yes, I’ll be honest, so am I. His tactics have left a hell of a lot to
be desired but, by the same rule, I think it’s upstairs and I think Francis should do us all a favour and live up to what he said [a reference to Lee’s
statement that he would get out within three years if City hadn’t won
anything].
“I get down like the best of the City fans and I’ve had enough. I will be doing my best in the next few weeks to remove the chairman because he is staying there and I don’t know whether he is bloody minded or stubborn. He is
being proud. If I was him I think I would put a moustache and a cap on
hide. I know there are people ready behind the scenes ready to take over I
not going into any detaiLs.
“It can happen — that’s for certain — and I think it should. I have seen
enough and I know the fans are hurt. I still go in the Kippax. I have been
near to tears with the best of them. The first thing I would do when Franny is
gone is to find the guy who has probably been barred for throwing his
season ticket away on the pitch and put him in the directors’ box. It sums up how
the fans feel.
“I own about ten per cent of the shares, or my missus does, because I was sick
of it, I just wanted to get out. I was just gutted. I know for a fact that there are people waiting to take over Manchester City. I am privileged to know that information. I just want to go on record as saying — because Lee
won’t listen himself and maybe this is a way of pushing things’ along, that I believe the chairman, !f he has any pride, should be walking away.
“There is no doubt that with the fan base they’ve got a chance of getting back to the top. But it is eroding, there is no doubt about it. My kids are in primary school. Where are not that many City fans. When I was in prmary school it was 50;50"

LEE WAS OUTRAGED. He knew he had made enemies during time as chairman, but this was unforgivable. “I thought it was disgusting what he did. The share price of JD Sports had just gone down by fifty per cent but I did not go on the radio and call him about the state of his business.”
Makin’s tirade certainly did the trick. The board’s façade of unity was destroyed. They were split down the middle and now everyone knew it. The following day, chief executive Mike Turner issued a statement from the, board as they struggled to regain their authority. It read: “We understand the fans’ frustrations and the manager is fully aware that the team’s performance has to improve to reflect the high expectations of our fans.” It was a thinly-veiled warning to Clark. The only problem was that nobody told him about it. The City boss was informed of its existence by the Manchester Evening News.
“I’d be grateful if someone would show me that statement. I didn’t know it was being made and I’ve not seen it. From what I’ve heard it doesn’t say anything new. I assume it was the powers that be trying to pour a bit of oil on troubled wa’ters but it would have been nice if someone had mentioned it. I think I know in the short term the results have got to improve,” said an aggrieved Clark, who was to confront his chairman over the matter.

-- Wed May 25, 2011 10:59 am --

There's also an interesting point in there about the erosion of our support, a process which we have not yet reversed in my opinion.

I don't neccesarily agree with you on that point. I would have until 2 season's ago, but not anymore. I go and watch my nephew play football on a Saturday morning in Lancaster when I visit my folks. When he first started going as a 4 year old, he was conspicuous by the fact that he was the only one in a City kit. I managed to bob down there last weekend and there were 6 of them in god's own blue (out of 4 pitches of 7 a side). I know it is not conclusive and purely anecdotal, but it was certainly noticable in the rag and pool stronghold.

Keep investing and keep winning things and the trend will continue, certainly in manchester.
 
I don't think people fully appreciate what a state we were when Swales finally let go. I'm not sure anyone could have put things right that quickly as a lot of money was needed. That being the case, I'm still think Lee's handling of the job was poor. He claims he wasn't autocratic but all the evidence seems to suggest he was just as bad as Swales in that regard.

I don't doubt Makin's credentials as a fan but he certainly didn't want the job himself so what he did was equivalent, if not worse, to the Barton interview after the Watford game towards the end of the Pearce era. Plus him and Wardle may have put money into the club but they didn't leave us in a much better state than they found us and undermined the one man who seemed to be turning us round financially.
 
its all water under the bridge now

until our new owners took over we was always fighting the dream of beating united we had to be better than united win more games than them end of
many fans was happy hating united more than supporting the club

we are slowly building our club back we need to forget about united they are just the 20th club in the premeir league and we are manchester city let them star looking over there shoulders at what we are doing

but they was the dark days of manchester city and yoyo years from 83 to 2009
 

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