The FA Cup Final thread Starring Villa V Arsenal.

stony said:
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Villa fans have had a banner banned from going to Wembley..... a pun on the infamous Sex Pistols album cover is deemed that it could provoke Arsenal fans. What a load of bollocks.

Please sign the petition to allow the banner.

<a class="postlink" href="https://www.change.org/p/football-association-wembley-stadium-allow-banned-supporter-funded-flag-into-the-fa-cup-final" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.change.org/p/football-assoc ... -cup-final</a>

Petitioning Football Association and 1 other
Allow Banned Supporter Funded Flag into the FA Cup Final
My Old Man Said



“Football must work together to put fans first,” declared the Football Association’s new CEO Martin Glenn when he began his job. His words though are already proving to be empty posturing.

After our experiences this week, fans have clearly again been put second, so it’s time for footballer supporters to show the first easy step for the FA to fulfil Martin Glenn’s words is to use basic common sense when addressing football supporter issues.

WEMBLEY FLAG BAN

After getting the ok from their club to take a supporter-funded giant surfer flag to Wembley, over 200 Aston Villa fans raised £3000 to produce a surfer flag that met Wembley’s health and safety and size regulations.

The surfer though has since been banned by Wembley simply because it contains the name of the opposition, despite the name only being used because Villa happen to be playing them in the final and it’s a necessary part of the design.

The flag is a direct appropriation of the infamous Sex Pistols album and reads ‘Never mind the Arsenal here’s the Aston Villa’.

While there’s a slight edge of humour there, it’s not disrespectful in the slightest to Arsenal fans, as the intention behind the flag was to announce to the world with some bravado that Villa are back!

'Football fans have now become nothing more than the controlled atmosphere decoration to help sell the TV product.'

We have asked the FA for the rules and a risk assessment of this flag going to Wembley, but no such evidence has been presented to us.

“It isn't offensive, isn't discriminatory nor is it inflammatory,” says the Football Supporter Federation. “This banner should be allowed into Wembley.”

While a handful of Wembley and club marketing staff and even some fans might not get the reference to the internationally iconic album cover, their lack of cultural awareness is not our problem, as there will be millions of people watching worldwide who will get it and as a result, enjoy our football art.

PREVIOUS POOR FLAG FORM

We are a victim of the kind of small-mindedness by Wembley that in 2011 made them think it was a good idea to charge Bradford City fans £2000 to surf their giant surfer flag that paid tribute to the 56 victims of the Bradford fire in 1986.

"Shame": FA tried to charge Bradford City fans £2,000 to display fire disaster tribute flag at Wembley

With football increasingly becoming a multi-billion pound soulless entertainment industry, football fans have now become nothing more than the controlled atmosphere decoration to help sell the TV product internationally.

At the FA Cup final, we will be given a free flag from Wembley and a free scarf from the club to make the game look good for the TV viewers. We have to pay up to £120 each to fulfil our roles as puppets.

DON'T ACCEPT IT

Please sign this petition to say no to this over cautious and controlling approach to fans that is effects all supporters from every club in the UK.

It doesn’t matter if you like the design of our flag or not, you're welcome to your opinion, but the point is supporters are being censored for no good reason.

So please sign this petition to encourage the use of common sense by the FA.

#GodSavetheFlag #FAcommonsense

PS - We have constantly been told by a handful of football industry people what Arsenal fans will think. But have they actually consulted any Arsenal fans? No.

We did...

ARSENAL SUPPORTER GROUPS STATEMENT

The Arsenal Supporters' Trust, Black Scarf Movement, REDaction and The Gooner Fanzine, would all like to show support with Aston Villa fans over an issue they are having with their club and the FA. Villa fans have raised money to design and produce a crowd surfer banner for the FA Cup Final next Saturday. The banner design details have been provided to our groups - it is a humourous design, which name checks The Arsenal - and it appears it is the fact that our name is included on it which is causing the FA some concern.

We are flattered that the Villa fans consider us worthy of being included on their banner and see absolutely no reason why Arsenal fans should consider it anything other than what it is, a well designed idea with no intention to cause any offence or incite bad feeling between the fans.

In fact, we find it quite concerning that the FA should have such a poor opinion of Arsenal fans, feeling that a banner of this type would cause any kind of unrest or ill feeling from us towards our opponents. It would appear to be another example of the sanitisation of our game by the authorities; trying to remove any aspect of friendly rivalry between the clubs competing in their flagship game.

It seems a shame that the FA are spending so much time trying to stop Villa fans from bringing a banner - surely time and resource that could be better used looking at why the competing clubs are only allocated 51k tickets in a stadium holding 90k 'fans'. Or maybe investigating why so many tickets are being sold on the black market for upwards of £800, most of which have come from their purported 'Football Family'. Perhaps this is a matter of greater concern.

In the true spirit of football, we urge the FA to see sense and look forward to the Villa fans unveiling their banner at the final.
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I wonder why that is.

[bigimg]http://therepublikofmancunia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/fanscity.gif[/bigimg]
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Any excuse. eh ! haha
 
Petition signed... that's disgraceful by The FA.
Fuck them trying to dictate everything.
Their concern should be why they give away freebie tickets to shitloads of people when many devoted fans of the clubs can't get tickets.
Club Wembley is a disgrace.

As for who should win... the best team on the day will win - Arsenal... although deservedly Villa have been the better team throughout the competition.
 
I want Villa to win .
But it should be Arsenal .
Then again Villa did Liverpool in the Semi .
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Villa fans have had a banner banned from going to Wembley..... a pun on the infamous Sex Pistols album cover is deemed that it could provoke Arsenal fans. What a load of bollocks.

Please sign the petition to allow the banner.

<a class="postlink" href="https://www.change.org/p/football-association-wembley-stadium-allow-banned-supporter-funded-flag-into-the-fa-cup-final" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.change.org/p/football-assoc ... -cup-final</a>

Petitioning Football Association and 1 other
Allow Banned Supporter Funded Flag into the FA Cup Final
My Old Man Said



“Football must work together to put fans first,” declared the Football Association’s new CEO Martin Glenn when he began his job. His words though are already proving to be empty posturing.

After our experiences this week, fans have clearly again been put second, so it’s time for footballer supporters to show the first easy step for the FA to fulfil Martin Glenn’s words is to use basic common sense when addressing football supporter issues.

WEMBLEY FLAG BAN

After getting the ok from their club to take a supporter-funded giant surfer flag to Wembley, over 200 Aston Villa fans raised £3000 to produce a surfer flag that met Wembley’s health and safety and size regulations.

The surfer though has since been banned by Wembley simply because it contains the name of the opposition, despite the name only being used because Villa happen to be playing them in the final and it’s a necessary part of the design.

The flag is a direct appropriation of the infamous Sex Pistols album and reads ‘Never mind the Arsenal here’s the Aston Villa’.

While there’s a slight edge of humour there, it’s not disrespectful in the slightest to Arsenal fans, as the intention behind the flag was to announce to the world with some bravado that Villa are back!

'Football fans have now become nothing more than the controlled atmosphere decoration to help sell the TV product.'

We have asked the FA for the rules and a risk assessment of this flag going to Wembley, but no such evidence has been presented to us.

“It isn't offensive, isn't discriminatory nor is it inflammatory,” says the Football Supporter Federation. “This banner should be allowed into Wembley.”

While a handful of Wembley and club marketing staff and even some fans might not get the reference to the internationally iconic album cover, their lack of cultural awareness is not our problem, as there will be millions of people watching worldwide who will get it and as a result, enjoy our football art.

PREVIOUS POOR FLAG FORM

We are a victim of the kind of small-mindedness by Wembley that in 2011 made them think it was a good idea to charge Bradford City fans £2000 to surf their giant surfer flag that paid tribute to the 56 victims of the Bradford fire in 1986.

"Shame": FA tried to charge Bradford City fans £2,000 to display fire disaster tribute flag at Wembley

With football increasingly becoming a multi-billion pound soulless entertainment industry, football fans have now become nothing more than the controlled atmosphere decoration to help sell the TV product internationally.

At the FA Cup final, we will be given a free flag from Wembley and a free scarf from the club to make the game look good for the TV viewers. We have to pay up to £120 each to fulfil our roles as puppets.

DON'T ACCEPT IT

Please sign this petition to say no to this over cautious and controlling approach to fans that is effects all supporters from every club in the UK.

It doesn’t matter if you like the design of our flag or not, you're welcome to your opinion, but the point is supporters are being censored for no good reason.

So please sign this petition to encourage the use of common sense by the FA.

#GodSavetheFlag #FAcommonsense

PS - We have constantly been told by a handful of football industry people what Arsenal fans will think. But have they actually consulted any Arsenal fans? No.

We did...

ARSENAL SUPPORTER GROUPS STATEMENT

The Arsenal Supporters' Trust, Black Scarf Movement, REDaction and The Gooner Fanzine, would all like to show support with Aston Villa fans over an issue they are having with their club and the FA. Villa fans have raised money to design and produce a crowd surfer banner for the FA Cup Final next Saturday. The banner design details have been provided to our groups - it is a humourous design, which name checks The Arsenal - and it appears it is the fact that our name is included on it which is causing the FA some concern.

We are flattered that the Villa fans consider us worthy of being included on their banner and see absolutely no reason why Arsenal fans should consider it anything other than what it is, a well designed idea with no intention to cause any offence or incite bad feeling between the fans.

In fact, we find it quite concerning that the FA should have such a poor opinion of Arsenal fans, feeling that a banner of this type would cause any kind of unrest or ill feeling from us towards our opponents. It would appear to be another example of the sanitisation of our game by the authorities; trying to remove any aspect of friendly rivalry between the clubs competing in their flagship game.

It seems a shame that the FA are spending so much time trying to stop Villa fans from bringing a banner - surely time and resource that could be better used looking at why the competing clubs are only allocated 51k tickets in a stadium holding 90k 'fans'. Or maybe investigating why so many tickets are being sold on the black market for upwards of £800, most of which have come from their purported 'Football Family'. Perhaps this is a matter of greater concern.

In the true spirit of football, we urge the FA to see sense and look forward to the Villa fans unveiling their banner at the final.
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I've signed the petition.

It's a ridiculous decision to ban it.

The word 'ARSENAL' is covered, so what's the problem?

As I said, ridiculous!

I hope Villa win, but not because of this; it would be great to see another team take a trophy home.

Come on Villa!
 
Vienna_70 said:
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Villa fans have had a banner banned from going to Wembley..... a pun on the infamous Sex Pistols album cover is deemed that it could provoke Arsenal fans. What a load of bollocks.

Please sign the petition to allow the banner.

<a class="postlink" href="https://www.change.org/p/football-association-wembley-stadium-allow-banned-supporter-funded-flag-into-the-fa-cup-final" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.change.org/p/football-assoc ... -cup-final</a>

Petitioning Football Association and 1 other
Allow Banned Supporter Funded Flag into the FA Cup Final
My Old Man Said



“Football must work together to put fans first,” declared the Football Association’s new CEO Martin Glenn when he began his job. His words though are already proving to be empty posturing.

After our experiences this week, fans have clearly again been put second, so it’s time for footballer supporters to show the first easy step for the FA to fulfil Martin Glenn’s words is to use basic common sense when addressing football supporter issues.

WEMBLEY FLAG BAN

After getting the ok from their club to take a supporter-funded giant surfer flag to Wembley, over 200 Aston Villa fans raised £3000 to produce a surfer flag that met Wembley’s health and safety and size regulations.

The surfer though has since been banned by Wembley simply because it contains the name of the opposition, despite the name only being used because Villa happen to be playing them in the final and it’s a necessary part of the design.

The flag is a direct appropriation of the infamous Sex Pistols album and reads ‘Never mind the Arsenal here’s the Aston Villa’.

While there’s a slight edge of humour there, it’s not disrespectful in the slightest to Arsenal fans, as the intention behind the flag was to announce to the world with some bravado that Villa are back!

'Football fans have now become nothing more than the controlled atmosphere decoration to help sell the TV product.'

We have asked the FA for the rules and a risk assessment of this flag going to Wembley, but no such evidence has been presented to us.

“It isn't offensive, isn't discriminatory nor is it inflammatory,” says the Football Supporter Federation. “This banner should be allowed into Wembley.”

While a handful of Wembley and club marketing staff and even some fans might not get the reference to the internationally iconic album cover, their lack of cultural awareness is not our problem, as there will be millions of people watching worldwide who will get it and as a result, enjoy our football art.

PREVIOUS POOR FLAG FORM

We are a victim of the kind of small-mindedness by Wembley that in 2011 made them think it was a good idea to charge Bradford City fans £2000 to surf their giant surfer flag that paid tribute to the 56 victims of the Bradford fire in 1986.

"Shame": FA tried to charge Bradford City fans £2,000 to display fire disaster tribute flag at Wembley

With football increasingly becoming a multi-billion pound soulless entertainment industry, football fans have now become nothing more than the controlled atmosphere decoration to help sell the TV product internationally.

At the FA Cup final, we will be given a free flag from Wembley and a free scarf from the club to make the game look good for the TV viewers. We have to pay up to £120 each to fulfil our roles as puppets.

DON'T ACCEPT IT

Please sign this petition to say no to this over cautious and controlling approach to fans that is effects all supporters from every club in the UK.

It doesn’t matter if you like the design of our flag or not, you're welcome to your opinion, but the point is supporters are being censored for no good reason.

So please sign this petition to encourage the use of common sense by the FA.

#GodSavetheFlag #FAcommonsense

PS - We have constantly been told by a handful of football industry people what Arsenal fans will think. But have they actually consulted any Arsenal fans? No.

We did...

ARSENAL SUPPORTER GROUPS STATEMENT

The Arsenal Supporters' Trust, Black Scarf Movement, REDaction and The Gooner Fanzine, would all like to show support with Aston Villa fans over an issue they are having with their club and the FA. Villa fans have raised money to design and produce a crowd surfer banner for the FA Cup Final next Saturday. The banner design details have been provided to our groups - it is a humourous design, which name checks The Arsenal - and it appears it is the fact that our name is included on it which is causing the FA some concern.

We are flattered that the Villa fans consider us worthy of being included on their banner and see absolutely no reason why Arsenal fans should consider it anything other than what it is, a well designed idea with no intention to cause any offence or incite bad feeling between the fans.

In fact, we find it quite concerning that the FA should have such a poor opinion of Arsenal fans, feeling that a banner of this type would cause any kind of unrest or ill feeling from us towards our opponents. It would appear to be another example of the sanitisation of our game by the authorities; trying to remove any aspect of friendly rivalry between the clubs competing in their flagship game.

It seems a shame that the FA are spending so much time trying to stop Villa fans from bringing a banner - surely time and resource that could be better used looking at why the competing clubs are only allocated 51k tickets in a stadium holding 90k 'fans'. Or maybe investigating why so many tickets are being sold on the black market for upwards of £800, most of which have come from their purported 'Football Family'. Perhaps this is a matter of greater concern.

In the true spirit of football, we urge the FA to see sense and look forward to the Villa fans unveiling their banner at the final.
Click to expand...

I've signed the petition.

It's a ridiculous decision to ban it.

The word 'ARSENAL' is covered, so what's the problem?

As I said, ridiculous!

I hope Villa win, but not because of this; it would be great to see another team take a trophy home.

Come on Villa!
Click to expand...

No it is only covered on that picture to indicate the banner has been censored.
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Vienna_70 said:
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Villa fans have had a banner banned from going to Wembley..... a pun on the infamous Sex Pistols album cover is deemed that it could provoke Arsenal fans. What a load of bollocks.

Please sign the petition to allow the banner.

<a class="postlink" href="https://www.change.org/p/football-association-wembley-stadium-allow-banned-supporter-funded-flag-into-the-fa-cup-final" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.change.org/p/football-assoc ... -cup-final</a>

Petitioning Football Association and 1 other
Allow Banned Supporter Funded Flag into the FA Cup Final
My Old Man Said



“Football must work together to put fans first,” declared the Football Association’s new CEO Martin Glenn when he began his job. His words though are already proving to be empty posturing.

After our experiences this week, fans have clearly again been put second, so it’s time for footballer supporters to show the first easy step for the FA to fulfil Martin Glenn’s words is to use basic common sense when addressing football supporter issues.

WEMBLEY FLAG BAN

After getting the ok from their club to take a supporter-funded giant surfer flag to Wembley, over 200 Aston Villa fans raised £3000 to produce a surfer flag that met Wembley’s health and safety and size regulations.

The surfer though has since been banned by Wembley simply because it contains the name of the opposition, despite the name only being used because Villa happen to be playing them in the final and it’s a necessary part of the design.

The flag is a direct appropriation of the infamous Sex Pistols album and reads ‘Never mind the Arsenal here’s the Aston Villa’.

While there’s a slight edge of humour there, it’s not disrespectful in the slightest to Arsenal fans, as the intention behind the flag was to announce to the world with some bravado that Villa are back!

'Football fans have now become nothing more than the controlled atmosphere decoration to help sell the TV product.'

We have asked the FA for the rules and a risk assessment of this flag going to Wembley, but no such evidence has been presented to us.

“It isn't offensive, isn't discriminatory nor is it inflammatory,” says the Football Supporter Federation. “This banner should be allowed into Wembley.”

While a handful of Wembley and club marketing staff and even some fans might not get the reference to the internationally iconic album cover, their lack of cultural awareness is not our problem, as there will be millions of people watching worldwide who will get it and as a result, enjoy our football art.

PREVIOUS POOR FLAG FORM

We are a victim of the kind of small-mindedness by Wembley that in 2011 made them think it was a good idea to charge Bradford City fans £2000 to surf their giant surfer flag that paid tribute to the 56 victims of the Bradford fire in 1986.

"Shame": FA tried to charge Bradford City fans £2,000 to display fire disaster tribute flag at Wembley

With football increasingly becoming a multi-billion pound soulless entertainment industry, football fans have now become nothing more than the controlled atmosphere decoration to help sell the TV product internationally.

At the FA Cup final, we will be given a free flag from Wembley and a free scarf from the club to make the game look good for the TV viewers. We have to pay up to £120 each to fulfil our roles as puppets.

DON'T ACCEPT IT

Please sign this petition to say no to this over cautious and controlling approach to fans that is effects all supporters from every club in the UK.

It doesn’t matter if you like the design of our flag or not, you're welcome to your opinion, but the point is supporters are being censored for no good reason.

So please sign this petition to encourage the use of common sense by the FA.

#GodSavetheFlag #FAcommonsense

PS - We have constantly been told by a handful of football industry people what Arsenal fans will think. But have they actually consulted any Arsenal fans? No.

We did...

ARSENAL SUPPORTER GROUPS STATEMENT

The Arsenal Supporters' Trust, Black Scarf Movement, REDaction and The Gooner Fanzine, would all like to show support with Aston Villa fans over an issue they are having with their club and the FA. Villa fans have raised money to design and produce a crowd surfer banner for the FA Cup Final next Saturday. The banner design details have been provided to our groups - it is a humourous design, which name checks The Arsenal - and it appears it is the fact that our name is included on it which is causing the FA some concern.

We are flattered that the Villa fans consider us worthy of being included on their banner and see absolutely no reason why Arsenal fans should consider it anything other than what it is, a well designed idea with no intention to cause any offence or incite bad feeling between the fans.

In fact, we find it quite concerning that the FA should have such a poor opinion of Arsenal fans, feeling that a banner of this type would cause any kind of unrest or ill feeling from us towards our opponents. It would appear to be another example of the sanitisation of our game by the authorities; trying to remove any aspect of friendly rivalry between the clubs competing in their flagship game.

It seems a shame that the FA are spending so much time trying to stop Villa fans from bringing a banner - surely time and resource that could be better used looking at why the competing clubs are only allocated 51k tickets in a stadium holding 90k 'fans'. Or maybe investigating why so many tickets are being sold on the black market for upwards of £800, most of which have come from their purported 'Football Family'. Perhaps this is a matter of greater concern.

In the true spirit of football, we urge the FA to see sense and look forward to the Villa fans unveiling their banner at the final.
Click to expand...

I've signed the petition.

It's a ridiculous decision to ban it.

The word 'ARSENAL' is covered, so what's the problem?

As I said, ridiculous!

I hope Villa win, but not because of this; it would be great to see another team take a trophy home.

Come on Villa!
Click to expand...

No it is only covered on that picture to indicate the banner has been censored.
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Oh, right.

Thanks for that, MES.
 
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